JonVilma51: The nfl sent me a letter "demanding" I drop my defamation suit or else...lol or else wat?!?? They no likey me lawsuitey

TheOak · 07-16-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Vilma is pursuing his rightful legal recourse. The Kommisar didn't just say that they were investigating allegatiuons against him. Godhell said he was trying to injure people without any proof. To me that is defamation of character.

The CBA and its dispute resolution program "legally" prevents him from doing so. When he signed that CBA he legally gave that option up... As far as for trying to hurt someone... well that's arguable because they all do hit with the intention of destroying. Its the barbaric nature of football..

@Beastmode - Those types of letters are normal for law firms to send out, yes they serve no real purpose but to make the other party think and retract their suit. The intent is to forego the expenses of litigation and depositions.. This has already gotten very expensive for both parties.

sharke · 07-16-2012, 07:23 AM

To counter the Devil's Advocate

Goodell publicly made comments indicating Vilma paid $ 10,000 for the hit on Farve before the NFL concluded it's investigation. This is a large part of Vilma's case and truthfully where he stands the best chance. Think of it this way (though, I'll admit not exactly the same circumstance, but good analogy) if you are standing trial for murder and during the case the I as judge publicly say you stabbed the the victim then I have purger-ed the case and am open to civil litigation as at said time you were not convicted.

As for hiding behind the NFL. If Goodell wants to use "I'm the voice of the league" Then his comments need always begin with "we as the league", "we as the NFL", "the NFL believes", etc. This is done effectively by Gary Bettman (NHL) and preplantation owner David Stern (NBA). Is it nitpicking, possibly. Howefver, if you want to say you are protected by representing league and not as Roger Goodell then you need to start doing it.

Tobias-Reiper · 07-17-2012, 04:07 PM

... good thing the CBA is not the U.S. Constitution.

TheOak · 07-17-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by sharke

To counter the Devil's Advocate

Goodell publicly made comments indicating Vilma paid $ 10,000 for the hit on Farve before the NFL concluded it's investigation. This is a large part of Vilma's case and truthfully where he stands the best chance. Think of it this way (though, I'll admit not exactly the same circumstance, but good analogy) if you are standing trial for murder and during the case the I as judge publicly say you stabbed the the victim then I have purger-ed the case and am open to civil litigation as at said time you were not convicted.

As for hiding behind the NFL. If Goodell wants to use "I'm the voice of the league" Then his comments need always begin with "we as the league", "we as the NFL", "the NFL believes", etc. This is done effectively by Gary Bettman (NHL) and preplantation owner David Stern (NBA). Is it nitpicking, possibly. Howefver, if you want to say you are protected by representing league and not as Roger Goodell then you need to start doing it.

OJ was accused... No defamation recourse.
Presidents are accused all the time.. No defamation recourse.

Just saying so dont throw fruit at me:

Goodell has been accused of lying... No defamation recourse.

Beastmode · 07-17-2012, 04:24 PM

Goodell has in fact lied. That's why there is no defamation recourse.

Halo · 07-17-2012, 06:04 PM

Goodell going out, on his own, in press releases HE ordered and making publicly false statements about Vilma is BEYOND the purview of the CBA.

Goodell used his authority as commissioner to do this, and the YES MEN around him just ran along with it ever-fearing the wrath of Roger.

Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness.

sharke · 07-18-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Just saying so dont throw fruit at me:

not throwing fruit, making counter argument

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm fruit.....

Originally Posted by Halo

Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness.

which is why I think they should use a system made popular in the 1980s. I am of course talking about the Thunderdome. "Two men enter, one man leaves." Fair enough.

TheOak · 07-18-2012, 10:06 AM

Ok ... pro comment....

Suspected witch... Burn him.

Tobias-Reiper · 07-18-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Goodell going out, on his own, in press releases HE ordered and making publicly false statements about Vilma is BEYOND the purview of the CBA.

Goodell used his authority as commissioner to do this, and the YES MEN around him just ran along with it ever-fearing the wrath of Roger.

Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness.

Had to like your post because of that...

Like it is written, you can translate it as either "monkey and monkey", or "*****cat and *****cat", without the felines

07-16-2012, 07:22 AM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Vilma is pursuing his rightful legal recourse. The Kommisar didn't just say that they were investigating allegatiuons against him. Godhell said he was trying to injure people without any proof. To me that is defamation of character. The CBA and its dispute resolution program "legally" prevents him from doing so. When he signed that CBA he legally gave that option up... As far as for trying to hurt someone... well that's arguable because they all do hit with the intention of destroying. Its the barbaric nature of football.. @Beastmode - Those types of letters are normal for law firms to send out, yes they serve no real purpose but to make the other party think and retract their suit. The intent is to forego the expenses of litigation and depositions.. This has already gotten very expensive for both parties.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-17-2012, 04:07 PM	#23
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	... good thing the CBA is not the U.S. Constitution. Halo likes this.

07-17-2012, 04:14 PM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by sharke To counter the Devil's Advocate Goodell publicly made comments indicating Vilma paid $ 10,000 for the hit on Farve before the NFL concluded it's investigation. This is a large part of Vilma's case and truthfully where he stands the best chance. Think of it this way (though, I'll admit not exactly the same circumstance, but good analogy) if you are standing trial for murder and during the case the I as judge publicly say you stabbed the the victim then I have purger-ed the case and am open to civil litigation as at said time you were not convicted. As for hiding behind the NFL. If Goodell wants to use "I'm the voice of the league" Then his comments need always begin with "we as the league", "we as the NFL", "the NFL believes", etc. This is done effectively by Gary Bettman (NHL) and preplantation owner David Stern (NBA). Is it nitpicking, possibly. Howefver, if you want to say you are protected by representing league and not as Roger Goodell then you need to start doing it. OJ was accused... No defamation recourse. Presidents are accused all the time.. No defamation recourse. Just saying so dont throw fruit at me: Goodell has been accused of lying... No defamation recourse.

07-17-2012, 04:24 PM	#25
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Goodell has in fact lied. That's why there is no defamation recourse.
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07-17-2012, 06:04 PM	#26
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,602 Blog Entries: 45	Goodell going out, on his own, in press releases HE ordered and making publicly false statements about Vilma is BEYOND the purview of the CBA. Goodell used his authority as commissioner to do this, and the YES MEN around him just ran along with it ever-fearing the wrath of Roger. Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness. saintfan, Tobias-Reiper and Beastmode like this.

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07-16-2012, 07:23 AM	#22
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	To counter the Devil's Advocate Goodell publicly made comments indicating Vilma paid $ 10,000 for the hit on Farve before the NFL concluded it's investigation. This is a large part of Vilma's case and truthfully where he stands the best chance. Think of it this way (though, I'll admit not exactly the same circumstance, but good analogy) if you are standing trial for murder and during the case the I as judge publicly say you stabbed the the victim then I have purger-ed the case and am open to civil litigation as at said time you were not convicted. As for hiding behind the NFL. If Goodell wants to use "I'm the voice of the league" Then his comments need always begin with "we as the league", "we as the NFL", "the NFL believes", etc. This is done effectively by Gary Bettman (NHL) and preplantation owner David Stern (NBA). Is it nitpicking, possibly. Howefver, if you want to say you are protected by representing league and not as Roger Goodell then you need to start doing it.

07-18-2012, 07:52 AM	#27
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Just saying so dont throw fruit at me: not throwing fruit, making counter argument mmmmmmmmmmmmmm fruit..... Originally Posted by Halo Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness. which is why I think they should use a system made popular in the 1980s. I am of course talking about the Thunderdome. "Two men enter, one man leaves." Fair enough.
	Last edited by sharke; 07-18-2012 at 07:56 AM.. Reason: all Thunderdome references must include the quote.

07-18-2012, 10:06 AM	#28
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Ok ... pro comment.... Suspected witch... Burn him.

07-18-2012, 11:58 AM	#29
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Halo Goodell going out, on his own, in press releases HE ordered and making publicly false statements about Vilma is BEYOND the purview of the CBA. Goodell used his authority as commissioner to do this, and the YES MEN around him just ran along with it ever-fearing the wrath of Roger. Much of this is mono-y-mono, Vilma vs. Goodell. Goodell trying everything in his power to include the NFL is a sign of fear and weakness. Had to like your post because of that... Like it is written, you can translate it as either "monkey and monkey", or "***cat and ***cat", without the felines

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