Bountygate: Outrage is NOT Strong Enough!

07-30-2012, 02:36 PM

Anyone who doesn't believe that Goodell did this intentionally is not looking at it the right way. The fact is, Roger Goodell does not want the Saints playing in a home town superbowl. Period! Otherwise, bountygate would have come to light after the 2010 season. The investigation ran from 2009 to 2010 for the most part. The fact is, he believes that another team from another city could bring in more money for the NFL. If anyone things it something other than money, they're sadly mistaken.

Halo · 07-30-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by NEPASaint

Anyone who doesn't believe that Goodell did this intentionally is not looking at it the right way. The fact is, Roger Goodell does not want the Saints playing in a home town superbowl. Period! Otherwise, bountygate would have come to light after the 2010 season. The investigation ran from 2009 to 2010 for the most part. The fact is, he believes that another team from another city could bring in more money for the NFL. If anyone things it something other than money, they're sadly mistaken.

I think the owners agree with Goodell and have let him have his way on this.
I also believe, as mentioned before, Bountygate kills 2 birds with 1 stone:
1) limits Saints ability to make the Superbowl
2) gives NFL "dandy" PR and fuel in their lawsuits that are PILING up against them from former players who have suffered concussion injuries where the NFL knew from studies years ago that concussive injuries would have long term affects.

The NFL buried those studies. That's just how they roll.
The league has proven itself dishonest.

QBREES9 · 07-30-2012, 04:02 PM

I had today off i read the article. Great job. The media has changed over the years. To ask question, report it and then worry about the facts. If they care at all about the facts.

CharityMike · 07-30-2012, 04:03 PM

I think the NFL/Godell realizes they screwed the pooch on this one. They got over zealous for reasons mentioned above. They are now doing the only thing left that they can do, try to hide behind the CBA. They are some seriously arogant s.o.b.'s. I couldn't believe some of the things they were telling the judge in Vilma's case.

All we have left to hope for is this judge to not get bullied by the big bad NFL. If this makes it to court and evidence has to be shown, that is when this thing will get real interesting.

SaintsBro · 07-30-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I think the owners agree with Goodell and have let him have his way on this.
I also believe, as mentioned before, Bountygate kills 2 birds with 1 stone:
1) limits Saints ability to make the Superbowl
2) gives NFL "dandy" PR and fuel in their lawsuits that are PILING up against them from former players who have suffered concussion injuries where the NFL knew from studies years ago that concussive injuries would have long term affects.

And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them.

Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment
Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc.
Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules
Smith - Starcaps
Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout
Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted

Rugby Saint II · 07-30-2012, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them.

Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment
Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc.
Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules
Smith - Starcaps
Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout
Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted

OMG, I didn't realise we were such a bunch of thugs!!!!!
Roger needs to get punked in a bad way.
Maybe a little bounty money would help get this pillow party started..........

Halo · 07-31-2012, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them.

Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment
Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc.
Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules
Smith - Starcaps
Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout
Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted

You're right. Never thought about the overall herding of payback here.

Stealthman · 08-11-2012, 02:53 PM

Things are looking a little brighter for Vilma. The judge (on Friday) actually came out and said that she wants to rule in favor of Vilma. That, sports fans, is a HUGE statement! To her credit, she (the judge) is careful that she not overstep her jurisdiction on the case.

One of my former pastors said: "When you lie once, you have to lie again to cover for the lie you told, while making provision for the NEXT lie you have to tell." (Rev. Marvin E. Gorman)

My dad (rest his soul) used to tell us: "Son, when you tell the truth, you don't care who-checks-what... and you don't have to keep your story straight."

I hope and pray that JV gets FULL vindication! He was courageous to file this lawsuit, and the NFL is now scrambling to cover its tracks.

Can I get a "WhoDat!"

07-30-2012, 02:36 PM	#11
Threaded by NEPASaint Rookie Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Anyone who doesn't believe that Goodell did this intentionally is not looking at it the right way. The fact is, Roger Goodell does not want the Saints playing in a home town superbowl. Period! Otherwise, bountygate would have come to light after the 2010 season. The investigation ran from 2009 to 2010 for the most part. The fact is, he believes that another team from another city could bring in more money for the NFL. If anyone things it something other than money, they're sadly mistaken.
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07-30-2012, 02:43 PM	#12
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,602 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by NEPASaint Anyone who doesn't believe that Goodell did this intentionally is not looking at it the right way. The fact is, Roger Goodell does not want the Saints playing in a home town superbowl. Period! Otherwise, bountygate would have come to light after the 2010 season. The investigation ran from 2009 to 2010 for the most part. The fact is, he believes that another team from another city could bring in more money for the NFL. If anyone things it something other than money, they're sadly mistaken. I think the owners agree with Goodell and have let him have his way on this. I also believe, as mentioned before, Bountygate kills 2 birds with 1 stone: 1) limits Saints ability to make the Superbowl 2) gives NFL "dandy" PR and fuel in their lawsuits that are PILING up against them from former players who have suffered concussion injuries where the NFL knew from studies years ago that concussive injuries would have long term affects. The NFL buried those studies. That's just how they roll. The league has proven itself dishonest. iceshack149 likes this.

07-30-2012, 04:03 PM	#14
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	I think the NFL/Godell realizes they screwed the pooch on this one. They got over zealous for reasons mentioned above. They are now doing the only thing left that they can do, try to hide behind the CBA. They are some seriously arogant s.o.b.'s. I couldn't believe some of the things they were telling the judge in Vilma's case. All we have left to hope for is this judge to not get bullied by the big bad NFL. If this makes it to court and evidence has to be shown, that is when this thing will get real interesting. Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-30-2012, 04:11 PM	#15
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Halo I think the owners agree with Goodell and have let him have his way on this. I also believe, as mentioned before, Bountygate kills 2 birds with 1 stone: 1) limits Saints ability to make the Superbowl 2) gives NFL "dandy" PR and fuel in their lawsuits that are PILING up against them from former players who have suffered concussion injuries where the NFL knew from studies years ago that concussive injuries would have long term affects. And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them. Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc. Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules Smith - Starcaps Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted saintfan, kcsaints and CharityMike like this.

07-30-2012, 04:27 PM	#16
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Originally Posted by SaintsBro And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them. Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc. Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules Smith - Starcaps Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted OMG, I didn't realise we were such a bunch of thugs!!!!! Roger needs to get punked in a bad way. Maybe a little bounty money would help get this pillow party started..........

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07-30-2012, 04:02 PM	#13
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	I had today off i read the article. Great job. The media has changed over the years. To ask question, report it and then worry about the facts. If they care at all about the facts.

07-31-2012, 11:56 AM	#17
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,602 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by SaintsBro And also I happen to believe in bird #3, it gives Goodell a chance to "settle the score" with individuals who have personally been a thorn in his side or made him look bad in the past, as Commish. Every SINGLE person -- every last one -- who was disciplined in the "bounty" scandal had a previous track record involving discipline or "bad PR" run-ins with Goodell in his early years as commissioner, situations where he either "lost in court" or in public opinion, tried to "get" someone and failed, or when he tried to be in control but things didn't go as he wanted them. Every single one of them. Williams - his "they've been trying to get me for years" comment Payton, Vitt, Loomis - the infamous Geoff Santini lawsuit (dismissed), Payton & Loomis' friendship with Michael Ornstein, the playing of "Stand Up Get Crunk" in the Super Bowl, criticism of rule changes and the refs, etc. etc. Vilma - had a disciplinary run-in with Goodell over Vilma's playing high-rolling poker in New York with the Jets, which technically wasn't against the rules Smith - Starcaps Fujita - outspoken player's union rep in lockout Hargrove - substance abuse, but came back and redeemed himself instead of going away quietly like Goodell wanted You're right. Never thought about the overall herding of payback here.

08-11-2012, 02:53 PM	#18
Stealthman B&G StaffWriter Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 382	Re: Bountygate: Outrage is NOT Strong Enough! Things are looking a little brighter for Vilma. The judge (on Friday) actually came out and said that she wants to rule in favor of Vilma. That, sports fans, is a HUGE statement! To her credit, she (the judge) is careful that she not overstep her jurisdiction on the case. One of my former pastors said: "When you lie once, you have to lie again to cover for the lie you told, while making provision for the NEXT lie you have to tell." (Rev. Marvin E. Gorman) My dad (rest his soul) used to tell us: "Son, when you tell the truth, you don't care who-checks-what... and you don't have to keep your story straight." I hope and pray that JV gets FULL vindication! He was courageous to file this lawsuit, and the NFL is now scrambling to cover its tracks. Can I get a "WhoDat!" Boutte likes this.

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