RGIII / NEWTON
 

Will RG3 give our defence fits as much as NEWTON? Neither will put 30 + points on spags de. to stay up with drew and company

I think Newton will be tougher. I don't see RGIII giving us much of a problem his first game in the NFL. Especially against Spags D.

i don't see him going too crazy...at least not in his first NFL game EVER.

i'm seeing u guys agreeing with me thanks

I think RG3 has a higher ceiling than Fig Newton, but I'm not scared of him in his first regular season game as a pro. Plus, we have to face Newton twice, which is more fearsome, IMO.

I doubted Newton's chance to do much in his rookie season especially without a full offseason of work. I was wrong. My first thought on his second season is that he will take a step back. If for no other reason than Karma. LOL. As far as RGIII goes, I think he will be as good and probably better than Newton. The Saints get a big break with the game being in the Dome. And, of course, as a team, the Redskins are just not good.

If RGIII ends up being good we're certainly playing against him at a great time.

Rookies can be difficult to predict... He could be overwhelmed, or he could be so full of him self that he is oblivious to playing in the NFL....

That being said I will quote Mike Tyson: Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. (sooner or later reality will set in)


As far as for Cam Newton, lets hope the Sophomore Slump is in full effect for him this season.

Damn! Another new quarterback. They always give us the shizts.

NO DOUBT, we make unknown and back-up QB's look good alot of the time.

RG3 is similar to Newton but he will not take off as much as him. I see RG3 struggling a bit in this first game, especially in a place like the Superdome. Either way... I can't wait.

I think just the noise of the superdome, and his nerves will sink in for his first game.

However, like someone previously said. Did we expect anything like that from Cam last year? 400 yards passing in his first game. RG3 is faster than Cam, right up there with Vick in his prime, 40 yard dash time, anyway.

That being said, he doesn't have have too many weapons to work with. I can't name one receiver on their team outside of Santana Moss and he's way past his prime. Their tight end, Fred Davis, is pretty good so hopefuly Spags teaches someone, ANYONE to cover a tight end.

Garcon is impressing everybody the first few days in camp. His athletic ability is pretty insane. Moss will be operating out of the slot and will be his usual deep dangerous self. After that you have Josh Morgan who has talent, but has been injured for most of his career. Next WR slot will be a battle in camp between a few hopefulls... My money is on Brandon Banks filling that slot, but he is a tiny tiny little man. His prowess is mainly on ST where he is a threat to take any return to the house.

This year I feel we will see some 2 tight end sets with Davis and Cooley which is definitely intriguing. The main issue will be RG3 learning to roll out and throw to his right.

Reports out of camp are showing that he has an easier time throwing to the left with more space than the right as he rolls out. But with faster more elite defenders, he is finding it hard to square his shoulders and release the ball before he is caught by the defenders. (To be fair he has Orakpo and Kerrigan chasing him down every play)

Can RGIII study film of the new Saints defense? Nope -- not really.

Can the Saints study film of RGIII from college, to look for tendencies, patterns, things he likes to do with the ball etc.? Yup, you betcha.

Advantage Saints.

I predict he is going to burn at least one time out in the first quarter, just by lining up and seeing something that confuses him. The Dome will be louder than anything he has EVER heard on the college field before.

They will both look lost.

We're home in that first game; BIG TIME advantage! Especially against a rookie in his first game, Spags zone will have him completely confused...

Will the Saints beat them... probably, yes. But don't sell Washington short. Shanahan is developing a good team there... and they may surprise a few teams, including us we we are not prepared. RG3 is very smart. He was working on his masters at Baylor.

I think RG3 wont have the year Newton had, but he'll have the better career. Cam has accuracy problems.

Nobody has ever had the rookie season Cam had... no chance RG3 runs even half as much. But I do agree with the accuracy. RG3 rarely makes bad decisions and throws up INTs. Once he gets comfortable with the speed of the game at the NFL level the kid will be special.

you guys give Spags way to much credit, his superbowl D which was his best to date was ranked 7th with elite guys like Osi,Tuck and Michael Strahan it wasnt like he had a awesome scheme just awesome players. You all are seriously fooled if the saints D will be that good.

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"you guys give Spags way to much credit, his superbowl D which was his best to date was ranked 7th with elite guys like Osi,Tuck and Michael Strahan it wasnt like he had a awesome scheme just awesome players. You all are seriously fooled if the saints D will be that good. "



Actually, his 2008 Giants defense was ranked 5th.

So you're saying that since he could only get as high as a 7th (which was really fifth) ranked defense that we're "seriously fooled" if we think he can help the Saints 24th ranked defense?

And I think what was so impressive about those Giants defenses is the turn around they made over such a short time frame. In 2006, the year before he got there, the Giants were ranked 25th in overall defense. In 2007, his first year, they finished 7th overall and in 2008, 5th overall. You are correct that he had some big names on his defensive line but I don't think anyone would believe the personnel turned completely over in just one or two years.

Let me guess....you're here to bash the Saints in every possible way during the offseason and will be no where to be found when we beat the Falcons twice again this season....

Good point but Im not saying he wont make the D better Im saying they wont be anything close to what his one year wonder Giant defense was, do you really think he's going to turn you guys D around into a elite bunch like the Giants with average to below average players minus Jabari Greer(no offense intended)?

Ill be here whenever the Falcons are mentioned.

I just read back through the thread again. I didn't see where the falcons were mentioned. Or where any Saints fans claimed that Spags would make this defense elite. Just some respectful discourse with a Redskins fan and pointing out advantages the Saints would have in the opening game at home.

You're the only one throwing around the word elite.

My only fear is our recent performance against rookie or 2nd string QB's.

Here's the link ... 63 pages (and growing), all mentioning the Falcons ... you got some catching up to do, eh?

http://blackandgold.com/showthread.php?t=29111

This is actually kind of a myth, or only half right. The Saints (at least under Gregg Williams) didn't actually struggle against rookie or 2nd string QB's that much. They really only struggled when the QB that they faced in the game was not the one they expected to play during the week. The Rams and the Titans games last year. One changed QBs during the game itself, and the other, Sam Bradford was practicing for the Rams the week before, then decided he couldn't go. Arizona in 2010, Derek Anderson was supposed to be the starter but the Cardinals benched him unexpectedly. Cleveland in 2010, Colt McCoy had only started one game, one week before. The rest of the year had been somebody else.

We all remember they looked extremely terrible against Seattle in the 2010 playoffs, but all week long that week there was a QB controversy, and the starter wasn't announced until Thursday afternoon before the game. In games where the defense absolutely sucked, every one of these teams had some kind of QB controversy or injury, so the QB that was out there on the field was not the one that the team had game planned for.

They actually looked pretty great against young or 2nd string QBs like Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez in 2009, Painter in Indy, even playing against Cam. Because they were prepared. It's only when people pull the switcheroo at the last minute, that the Saints defense looks really bad, and if you look around the league, almost any team would experience a drop off in their defense if it isn't the QB they prepared and expected to play.

It still sucks to watch it, though!

Good info. I hadn't thought of it that way before. It still doesn't speak well for the coaching though. Being prepared for the individual is very important but being prepared for the unexpected is also important. It seems those defenses weren't able to adjust on the fly very well.

UTAH said what i had to say.

He asked would I be here when NO beat us and thats how I replied didnt say we were mentioned in this thread.