Sources: No settlement before ruling

TheOak · 08-09-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Looks like the this judge ain't having none of the NFL bull. Time to get some facts straight. Goodell doesn't want this defamation of character thing to continue. Thats why he tried to throw Jon Vilma a bone.

And Vilma should have taken that bone and run with it.

Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence.

Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened.

No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility.

I do not like it, but that's how I see it.

NOW a flip side.. "IF" the NFL did make an offer to Vilma and the other three to reduce suspensions, and they can show the Judge a letter sent to Vilma's lawyer proving they did... Doesn't that undermined the stance that Goodell punished "too harshly", and over stepped his boundaries? The CBA outlines his boundaries but not to what extent...

Utah_Saint · 08-09-2012, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

And Vilma should have taken that bone and run with it.

Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence.

Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened.

No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility.

I do not like it, but that's how I see it.

NOW a flip side.. "IF" the NFL did make an offer to Vilma and the other three to reduce suspensions, and they can show the Judge a letter sent to Vilma's lawyer proving they did... Doesn't that undermined the stance that Goodell punished "too harshly", and over stepped his boundaries? The CBA outlines his boundaries but not to what extent...

Or...

if the three get on the stand and testify that they only went along with the confessions because they were given the choices, confess and accept your suspensions or deny and be banned from the NFL. That would support Vilma's claim that appeals were pointless.

CharityMike · 08-09-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Or...

if the three get on the stand and testify that they only went along with the confessions because they were given the choices, confess and accept your suspensions or deny and be banned from the NFL. That would support Vilma's claim that appeals were pointless.

Exactly!! I truly believe the coach's did not think what they were doing was a "Bounty Scheme". At least Payton and Loomis anyway. Did GW hand out the envelopes in front of SP and ML? I doubt it. Go read ML and SP apology again. No where does it say they are apologizing for a Bounty Scheme. They apologized for letting a "program" happen under there watch. They are managers just like I am. If something happens in my store, it's my responsibility. Whether I knew anything about it or did anything about it, it still falls on my shoulders. Same thing with ML and SP.

SaintsBro · 08-09-2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence.

Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened.

No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility.

Unless he has said or admitted something privately to Goodell that we are not privy to, Sean Payton has said no such thing. He has NOT admitted to a bounty, or "lying" to Goodell, or to even doing anything wrong. Unless I'm mistaken, Payton didn't even admit to pay-for-performance, only Williams did.

He said, quote, I am sorry for what happened and, as head coach, take full responsibility.

If you read it carefully, he only refers to "what happened," which could mean a number of things -- the flawed Bounty investigation itself, the suspensions, the bad publicity for Benson, the "tarnishing of the shield," or the negative outcome of the whole darn thing. It does NOT mean "you caught me," "the NFL's evidence is true" or that he ever admitted to what Goodell said he did, not AT ALL. He only said he was sorry that "what happened" happened.

When I first read it, I immediately took it to mean that Payton was apologizing for the WHOLE MESS, whether innocent or guilty, and was going out of his way with his words to NOT admit guilt. But that it happened on his watch. Admitting responsibility is not the same thing as admitting guilt.

Unless of course he admitted something privately to Goodell that we don't know about, which would be a whole other ball of wax, and I kind of doubt he did since we would have heard about it.

08-09-2012, 08:32 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Looks like the this judge ain't having none of the NFL bull. Time to get some facts straight. Goodell doesn't want this defamation of character thing to continue. Thats why he tried to throw Jon Vilma a bone. And Vilma should have taken that bone and run with it. Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence. Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened. No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility. I do not like it, but that's how I see it. NOW a flip side.. "IF" the NFL did make an offer to Vilma and the other three to reduce suspensions, and they can show the Judge a letter sent to Vilma's lawyer proving they did... Doesn't that undermined the stance that Goodell punished "too harshly", and over stepped his boundaries? The CBA outlines his boundaries but not to what extent...
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

08-09-2012, 12:06 PM	#2
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Originally Posted by x626xBlack And Vilma should have taken that bone and run with it. Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence. Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened. No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility. I do not like it, but that's how I see it. NOW a flip side.. "IF" the NFL did make an offer to Vilma and the other three to reduce suspensions, and they can show the Judge a letter sent to Vilma's lawyer proving they did... Doesn't that undermined the stance that Goodell punished "too harshly", and over stepped his boundaries? The CBA outlines his boundaries but not to what extent... Or... if the three get on the stand and testify that they only went along with the confessions because they were given the choices, confess and accept your suspensions or deny and be banned from the NFL. That would support Vilma's claim that appeals were pointless.

08-09-2012, 12:23 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Or... if the three get on the stand and testify that they only went along with the confessions because they were given the choices, confess and accept your suspensions or deny and be banned from the NFL. That would support Vilma's claim that appeals were pointless. Exactly!! I truly believe the coach's did not think what they were doing was a "Bounty Scheme". At least Payton and Loomis anyway. Did GW hand out the envelopes in front of SP and ML? I doubt it. Go read ML and SP apology again. No where does it say they are apologizing for a Bounty Scheme. They apologized for letting a "program" happen under there watch. They are managers just like I am. If something happens in my store, it's my responsibility. Whether I knew anything about it or did anything about it, it still falls on my shoulders. Same thing with ML and SP.

08-09-2012, 03:04 PM	#4
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sources: No settlement before ruling Originally Posted by x626xBlack Its beyond the facts at this point... beyond evidence. Taken at FACE VALUE, if Vilma says "I did not do anything they say I did"... But Sean Payton, Micky Loomis, and Greg Williams have already said "you caught us, sorry".... I have trouble, a lot of trouble, seeing that nothing has happened. No evidence in the courtroom only testimony, if you put those three on the stand to explain what they apologized for and they state they apologized for doing what they shouldn't have, it annihilates Vilmas credibility. Unless he has said or admitted something privately to Goodell that we are not privy to, Sean Payton has said no such thing. He has NOT admitted to a bounty, or "lying" to Goodell, or to even doing anything wrong. Unless I'm mistaken, Payton didn't even admit to pay-for-performance, only Williams did. He said, quote, I am sorry for what happened and, as head coach, take full responsibility. If you read it carefully, he only refers to "what happened," which could mean a number of things -- the flawed Bounty investigation itself, the suspensions, the bad publicity for Benson, the "tarnishing of the shield," or the negative outcome of the whole darn thing. It does NOT mean "you caught me," "the NFL's evidence is true" or that he ever admitted to what Goodell said he did, not AT ALL. He only said he was sorry that "what happened" happened. When I first read it, I immediately took it to mean that Payton was apologizing for the WHOLE MESS, whether innocent or guilty, and was going out of his way with his words to NOT admit guilt. But that it happened on his watch. Admitting responsibility is not the same thing as admitting guilt. Unless of course he admitted something privately to Goodell that we don't know about, which would be a whole other ball of wax, and I kind of doubt he did since we would have heard about it.

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