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I made it myself using some pic I found on Saint\'s sites. You got anything in mind? Send me a pic with your idea(s) and I will see what I can do.

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So then what you are saying is that the Bucs do not know how to stop Vick ??
An offense needs to score as many points as it takes to win the game .

The quarterback is the leader on offense .
The middle linebacker is the leader on defense , in my opinion they need to send Clemmons packing .

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I need to find that post from Saintz08 about teams not being able to game plan for a QB that\'s not the starter...:) Jake did well in relief....

I sound like a broken record but you\'re gonna hear it all year long....bottom line: either use AB in a mobile fashion or let Jake run the West Coast offense. Jake did it yesterday almost to perfection.

2 predictions:

1. If the coaches don\'t figure out AB he\'ll be another Jake Plummer.
2. Jake ends up starting in Baltimore next year.

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Carolina for Jake , and he is already the talk on their sites .

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PFW has this to say about Jake .

“Once (Saints backup QB) Jake Delhomme gets a chance to start, he’s not going to give it up. He’s going to be the next QB that everyone says, ‘Where did he come from?’ He’s strong, has a good arm, doesn’t have the most refined, by-the-book technique, but he is a winner. He works hard. He is accurate, and he can throw on the move. A lot of teams know about him. He’ll get his chance after this year when he hits the open market, when teams looking to upgrade the QB position, like the Chiefs, Cardinals and Bears, are shopping.�

Add a few more teams to the mix ......

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I`m NOT a Brooks basher. I think the guy has done a tremendous job......but I have to scratch my head sometimes and wonder why we run the offense we do with Brooks talents. Let`s play run and gun with Brooks and not \"Jim Mora\" control offense. Atlanta would be 3-9 if they tried to make Vick play the kind of offense we run. Look at the 4th quarter stats this year on Brooks in the games where we we`re trailing. That`s his game, let`s run it.
I`m also of the opinion that Jake is right where he needs to be right now. Kinda gives Brooks a lil competion thing, and with Jakes latest performances, let`s the players and us fans know we got very capable back-up. Guys, I`m so excited about whats going on here I can`t sleep! We`ve already beaten the playoff leaders this year except for Oakland, we just gotta do it again.

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dont forget philly

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Saintz08 -- A response...
\"08\": So then what you are saying is that the Bucs do not know how to stop Vick ??

\"SF\": I don\'t think I ever said that. Did I say that? No, I don\'t think I ever said that...


\"08\": An offense needs to score as many points as it takes to win the game .

\"SF\": While I agree, since the team with the most points wins, I think there\'s something wrong with a defense if the offense has to score 30 every Sunday to win. I think you\'d agree if you\'d only allow yourself to.

\"08\": The quarterback is the leader on offense .

\"SF\": I agree with you totally. Regardless of what you and other people imagine, if you\'d pay attention to the players I think you\'d hear them call Brooks the leader. I\'ve heard \'em say it in interviews. I\'ve heard \'em say it on AM870 ( I can actually get that station after dark here most nights in Dallas). We\'re one game away from the best record in football. Frankly, Brooks simply must be doing something right...right?

\"08\": The middle linebacker is the leader on defense , in my opinion they need to send Clemmons packing .

\"SF\": Ok, now we agree on 3 things. We\'ve just gotta stop doing this! I\'m not much on Clemons either.

:P

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The Bucs owning Vick is a comparison to Falcons owning Saints . The Falcons Defense knows how to stop Brooks ala Vick . When you know a players limitations , you know how to defense him . Like Beerman , if I was an opposing coach I would line the fastest special teams tackler on the left side of the line , because Beerman likes to run to his right .

Because of the obvious heat from the press on the lack of leadership skills on the field , the team has addressed it . Haslett covers for some players in his press releases too . It would not be uncommon for a coach to fine a player for saying something negative to the press .

Middle linebacker was the big mistake during the off season , Clemmons is to slow and Cox is too slow . If the Saints play the Dirty Birds in the play offs , the need to put James Allen in the middle to spy Vick ...

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So now you\'re saying the coaches and players are \"covering\" for AB\'s lack of leadership? What ARE you smokin\'? I\'ll admit I agree with what you said about Lewis and Clemons and Cox, but I\'m shakin my head in disbelief with regard to your persistance in bashing AB from any and every angle. I swear I think you make this stuff up sometimes. I recognize the fact that you\'re an intelligent football fan, but you have problems with AB that winning the Super Bowl wouldn\'t resolve. :casstet:

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So you think that Haslett would come out and notify 31 other teams in the NFL about his starting quarterbacks limitations if he had any ????

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I think you shouldn\'t try and post that junk here and pass it off as fact when it\'s purely your opinion...thats what I think. You\'re guessing...reaching...for anything you can to try and make your point. The FACT is that we\'ve got a pretty darn good record with AB at the helm. The coaches like him...the players like him. I\'m sayin that because THATS WHAT THEY SAY...anything else is pure speculation. Speculation...meaning you\'re guessing...and quite honestly it\'s not even an educated guess. Far as I can tell you\'re just throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall to see if something sticks.

Have you heard anyone on the Saints team say AB wasn\'t a leader? Can you quote someone? Oh...of course they wouldn\'t say it out loud if they thought it. YOU must know because...hmmmm...how, exactly, WOULD you know?

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I have been around football enough to understand you do not give the competition the receipe for failure .

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I\'d agree with that, but you didn\'t answer the question. Where did you hear all that junk you\'re posting? Maybe you were dreaming and thought it was real. It\'s ok to admit it man. The first step in recovery is to admit you have a problem! ;)

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What junk are you curious about ????

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Tell ya what...just nevermind. If you\'d really like to answer, the question is this:

Have you heard anyone on the Saints team say AB wasn\'t a leader? Can you quote someone? Oh...of course they wouldn\'t say it out loud if they thought it. YOU must know because...hmmmm...how, exactly, WOULD you know?

There...I pasted it in from an earlier post. You couldn\'t/wouldn\'t answer it then so I\'m not expecting any flashes of brilliance now. It\'s foolish of me to think you\'ll ever change your mind about AB. You never really answer when people in here question your wildly unfounded non-factual ravings about our Q anyway...I don\'t expect today to be any differnt than any other in that regard.

I\'m diggin my own grave here, but I just can\'t help but ask you one more. Are you gonna lobby for J.T. next year if Jake leaves? :P

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Lobby for J.T. ?? No.

J.T. has not shown the courage , strength or the leadership yet capable of handling himself in an NFL huddle . Delhomme has , and with the ability to earn my respect .

I will use a Haslett Quote to try and prove my point , In the 4th quarter against the Ravens the line broke down and no receiver was open Jake took off running with some scrambling and dove for the first down . Haslett later asked Jake \" What were you doing ? White me can\'t run . \" Jake did not think he only saw and knew he needed to get the first . I will paste for you .

Delhomme hit on 7 of 8 passes for 103 yards. In a 74-yard drive that resulted in a John Carney field goal to put the Saints ahead 30-17. He did it with his arm, his head and his legs on a six-yard scramble that kep the drive alive.


“The guy hit me and I don’t know how I did it to be honest,� said Delhomme. “Haslett teased me later when I tried to keep it. He said, ‘You’re a white guy, you can’t run.’ There was a wide open hole and I was able to dive and get a first down.�

If memory serves me well : Jake is 3-1 in games he has been in . He has won the World Bowl . This will draw some criticism , but I have spent time studying Montana over the past years to see why that 40 whiner team was what it was , Jake has alot of the same presence that Montana had in San Francisco .

If you get the chance , watch Jake at the line . If he see\'s something he does not like he moves players around and audibles out . Brooks does not , he calls time out ....

Brooks is talented , so was Everett. It is the unchartable quality and understanding of the game that makes a player great . Montana was nothing like Brooks in size ,strength and ability , yet he was great .

I would assume that public bashing of the Quarterback is about a $ 100,000 fine . Try to remember , Haslett has one of the heaviest fine programs in the NFL . Ricky was always getting fined for something . Although I have heard Horn say they needed to get the ball more to him , I wonder who he was punching at ??

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I don\'t think anyone on this board needs to be convinced Jake is a good player and a luxury as a backup...best in the league...no argument. As Haz has said, he could start for SOME teams. I also don\'t know of a talented receiver that doesn\'t want the ball...none of this correlates to AB not being the leader of this team, and nothing you have typed answeres the question(s):

Have you heard anyone on the Saints team (coaches or players) say AB wasn\'t a leader? Can you quote someone?

Don\'t attempt to answer it by speculation or by changing the subject. Have you heard anyone say it? Yes/No

If yes, can you Quote someone? Yes/No

If yes then who said it?

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I will make a few post cuts for you and you can decide . These will be from varied sources , sports writers and such .

Brooks\' improved leadership skills could end being the key this season, according to Fontenot.
To improve , you would have to say there was at one point a lack .

Q: How would you assess QB Aaron Brooks\' play this season?

Haslett: \"The last two games he took a step backward, but I still think he\'s going to be a great quarterback. He was running for his life the last couple games. He\'ll still be a good quarterback. It is tough for a young kid to be a leader. You would like to have your quarterback be the vocal leader. But first year starting, the guy is trying to take care of himself and get everything down. It would be tough to have him run the whole offense. But he will grow into that leadership roll as he goes here \"

Going to be a leader would indicate , not one yet . From last year .

Would Haslett be enough for you ?????


The Saints brass feel he can make the jump to an elite NFL QB by showing better leadership and decision making skills. They will encourage him to run when the opportunity presents itself, as only McNair, McNabb, and Culpepper are in his class as a running QB. With Jeff Blake gone to Baltimore, Brooks can be confident in knowing this is his team and he will not get yanked. Jake Delhomme takes over as the back-up despite not having taken a regular season snap in 2 seasons. Coaches like Delhomme\'s fiery style and LB mentality.


Cannot tell you who the Brass are but they figured he needed better leadership skills .

[Edited on 11/12/2002 by saintz08]

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Tell me exactly how far back did you have to go to find that stuff...obviously one of those (the Haz quote) was from LAST YEAR. You know my Girlfriend has that problem too. Everytime we get into an argument she\'ll bring up something from LAST YEAR...just can\'t let it go ya know? Sound familiar?

Here are a few more recent quotes (from this year) you might enjoy:

Haslett: \"Not too many teams will throw a young kid in there and rely on him to win games,\" Saints coach Jim Haslett said. \"We did it [with Aaron] last year and it backfired a little bit at the end of the year, but it was a growing process for him. I think the big thing is the players voted Aaron a captain this season, which says a lot for a guy who has been here a little over two years. It says a lot that a 26-year-old quarterback is the captain of your football team.\"

How about one from Fontenot (FROM THIS YEAR)

Fontenot: Said center Jerry Fontenot, a 14-year veteran: \"You can\'t believe what a cool cat Aaron was in the huddle. He never blinked.\"

I\'ll even throw in a little from Mike McCarthy (FROM THIS YEAR)

McCarthy: \"If he continues to play at this level, we\'re going to win a lot of games,\" offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy said. \"He\'s a winner, but he has proven that since he first came to play here.\"

Surely you remember Kyle Turley ripping off that helmet and tossing it across the field. He said, as I recall, something to the effect that he wasn\'t going to let someone do that to his QB. Would he have gone to such lengths for somebody he didn\'t respect? Probably not, but I guess we\'d have to ask him.

Now, I\'ll ask you again...but let me also ask that you not venture back into the stone ages for your info...WHO among the Saints coaches and players has said AB wasn\'t the leader of this team? Remember, I\'m not asking if anyone suggested he might have room to grow...at his age I would certainly hope he has room to grow...I\'m asking you who said he was not the leader. Who said he wasn\'t capable of shouldering the load? And again I\'ll ask you...don\'t try and prove your point with insinuations or speculation. PROVE what you say it true beyond being just your opinion.

I\'ll finish with one more from Haz (FROM THIS YEAR)

Haslett: \"This is a great deal for Aaron and the Saints,\" coach Jim Haslett said. \"Both parties wanted to get his contract extension finished so Aaron could concentrate solely on football. He has really worked hard to get ready for this year and he has emerged as our LEADER. This is a positive move for the franchise as we prepare for this season.\"

I\'m just not sure what else I can possibly do to make you understand. It\'s your opinion for sure, and we all have \'em, but please post your opinion as such rather than insinuate what you think is FACT when in reality it isn\'t. That\'s all.

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If memory serves me well ;

Haslett stated after the Browns game , On an about Brooks question . \" It was time for him to step up and lead the trial period was over , it all stops here . \"

Something like that . It was a post game interview .

Mc Carthy later added :

\"Aaron\'s the starting quarterback,\" offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy said Sunday. \"As far as development, the development\'s over. It\'s time for him to win football games

Have you heard anyone on the Saints team (coaches or players) say AB wasn\'t a leader? Can you quote someone?

The Brass comment was in 2002 .

His leadership was questioned in camp ???? That was 16 weeks ago or so .

So if you ask has anyone questioned Aaron Brooks leadership from the Saints , the answer is yes .

In the last 5 minutes , I do not know .

And I do not know about tomorrow .

[Edited on 12/12/2002 by saintz08]

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Once again you\'ve taken some information, twisted it to fit your OPINION and attempted to make it somehthing it isn\'t. For Haz and McCarthy to say Brooks needs to step up and it\'s time for him to win football games is one thing...especailly the Haz quote after what I\'ll admit was a terrible game by AB, but neither of those quotes, and nothing you\'ve posted in this lengthy thread says ANYthing about AB not being the leader of the Saints. Let me re-post the question in question:

Have you heard anyone on the Saints team (coaches or players) say AB wasn\'t a leader? Can you quote someone?

To answer this question with a yes, you\'ll have to find a quote from someone saying Brooks either is not or can not lead his team. You still haven\'t done that and you won\'t be able to because NO ONE IS SAYING IT ACCEPT YOU. And since you\'re neither a coach nor a player and quote from you won\'t count as anything more than your opinion.

Maybe your Moderator status on this site carries some weight. Maybe that\'ll get you and quick question or two from either Haz or McCarthy. Maybe you could ask them what they think TODAY. I think we both know what they\'d say.

At any rate, if you wanna shut me up, find a quote where someone says AB isn\'t the leader...and I\'m not looking for something in the last 5 minutes...but something from THIS SEASON...From the First game with Tampa up to now. Good luck on your quest. You\'re gonna need it.

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Twisted is an accurate statement .

The posts I have made , point to a Lack of Leadership skills . Not to the thought of he has No leadership skills at all .

The lack of leadership skills or the questioning of his leadership abilities , has been the knock on Brooks all along . His original combine report had him listed as athletic but shy and questionable leadership skills . Thats why he dropped like a rock in the draft .

Those questions resurfaced at the slide last year and at camp this year , even Haslett questioned his leadership during the hold out .

The Saints brass feel he can make the jump to an elite NFL QB by showing better leadership and decision making skills. They will encourage him to run when the opportunity presents itself, as only McNair, McNabb, and Culpepper are in his class as a running QB. With Jeff Blake gone to Baltimore, Brooks can be confident in knowing this is his team and he will not get yanked. Jake Delhomme takes over as the back-up despite not having taken a regular season snap in 2 seasons. Coaches like Delhomme\'s fiery style and LB mentality.

This statement was released before training camp .

The statement Mc Carthy makes after the loss to the Browns would certainly point to the thought there has been a certain leniancy on how Brooks performs , whether that is on the field performance or leadership , who knows ?

\"Aaron\'s the starting quarterback,\" offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy said Sunday. \"As far as development, the development\'s over. It\'s time for him to win football games

What development does Mc Carthy refer too in this statement ??

Would the offensive coordinator for the Packers ever released this statement in regards to Favre ??? Until Brooks has proven himself 100% in all his abilities , there will always be doubts , reflected by the fans , coaches and media .

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Or in other words, you couldn\'t find a sinlge quote from a single coach or player stating that AB wasn\'t the leader of this team. I understand. I\'ve been lookin for two days and I couldn\'t find one either. You can take a quote and attempt to put a spin on it I suppose. As an example, the EAGLES song \"Hotel California\" means many different things to many different people. Here\'s a few more quotes I\'d like to pass along:

\"Aaron\'s taking more of a leadership role,\" tight end Lamont Hall said, \"not only of the offense, but of the whole team.\"

\"I knew he was going to be a premier player in the this league,\" Favre said last month, before the Packers played the Saints. \"All he needed was the opportunity. ... He\'s a very intelligent guy. His knowledge of the passing game is well beyond where I was at his stage.\"


Offensive Coordinator Mike McCarthy was asked this simple question. Is Aaron Brooks a special player. He answered this simply,
\"When he gets in there, no matter what the score, no matter how much time is left, the people around him believe they are going to win the ballgame. When you inspire that much confidence, the question answers itself.\"

Personally I\'m ready to move on. My work here is done.

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Until Brooks has proven himself 100% in all his abilities , there will always be doubts , reflected by the fans , coaches and media .

It has been there since college .

3- Brooks\' leadership, a question in this space all season, remains one. The intentional grounding is one thing, but unlike the Duke game, he did not will his team to victory. He did get a key first down on a scramble, but the bottom line is that they did not put up any points on that drive. In fact, against a matador defense that was giving them nearly everything they wanted, UVA was unable to muster any points in the final 25 minutes of action. As the old lady in those Wendy\'s ads used to sort of say, \"where\'s the leadership?\"

I am not the first to question it and will not be the last .......

It is kind of funny how the story changes with certain coaches .

Offensive Coordinator Mike McCarthy was asked this simple question. Is Aaron Brooks a special player. He answered this simply,
\"When he gets in there, no matter what the score, no matter how much time is left, the people around him believe they are going to win the ballgame. When you inspire that much confidence, the question answers

\"Aaron\'s the starting quarterback,\" offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy said Sunday. \"As far as development, the development\'s over. It\'s time for him to win football games

I will start as I finish :

Until Brooks has proven himself 100% in all his abilities , there will always be doubts , reflected by the fans , coaches and media .

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brooks starts, jake sits da bench, end of story

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Come on now Gator .

Retreat when the pressure is on instead of stepping up ?? Thats a Brooks thing . :P

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Jake has had how many wins in his career. Has he had any bad games? What\'s the story? Is Haslett biased against Jake? I am trying to figure out where we get the notion that Jake isn\'t getting a shot. He has been with the team for a while yet the coaches continue to start AB. Maybe they feel AB is best for the job. I could be wrong but it seems to me the coaches would know best.

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If we get really bored , we can tug on that Ditka hold over theory . We could even spin that into the biased thought . Turley always blows that theory , but then again Haslett did ride him pretty hard after the Helmet incident . Personally I miss Conrad Dobler , it has been awhile since I have seen a lineman bite someone .

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Saintz08 --
I give you heaps of credit for stickin\' to your guns, but like the Gambler says:

\"Know when to walk away, know when to run\"

There simply is not anyone raggin\' on Brooks the way you are. He\'s young, still learning, and working hard. His coaches realize that. His teammates realize that. Why can\'t you realize that? I\'m not sure what else he can do. If my memory serves me correctly (and sometimes it doesn\'t) the Cleveland game is the only game in which AB didn\'t throw a touchdown pass. He\'s among the league leaders stats-wise. The Saints are one game off the best record in the NFL and yet you still aren\'t satisfied.

What if AB were to win the Super Bowl? Would you give all the credit to Deuce and Joe and Donte and none to AB? Would you say he was simply lucky enough to have been along for the ride? Might I suggest that if we DON\'T win the super bowl, at this point the safe bet would be to say our suspect \"D\" would be the more likely culprit. I\'m not saying AB won\'t fire the INT that loses the playoff game for the Saints...anything could happen...but as poorly as our \"D\" has played this year (still haven\'t held anyone to under 20 points) why not focus some of your energy there? Call some of THOSE guys out instead of hanging on to this hatred you\'ve had for AB since day one.

\"Delhomme lacks the big-play ability of Brooks.\" Thats a quote from Jeff Duncan who writes for the New Orleans Times-Picayune. He goes on to say this: \"Jake Delhomme\'s fine play in relief of starting quarterback Aaron Brooks the past two weeks has done more than just solidify the confidence of his teammates and coaching staff. It has increased his potential stock as a free agent. In fact, Delhomme might have played himself out of New Orleans.\"

Now I\'m not sure what you get from that, but what I get from it is that Jake is a solid player with a bright future, but the key for me and what I think is the key for the coaches is that first quote...\"Delhomme lacks the big-play ability of Brooks.\"

Ultimately, AB is the leader of this team until he does something to indicate otherwise or until someone comes along and takes that job from him. I can assure you there\'s very little loyalty in the NFL and that if the coaches thought Jake gave the team a better chance to win he\'d be in there under center. I think you\'d agree.

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Personally I will stick with , \" Damn the Torpedoes \" .

Did they run at the Alamo ??

Brooks will have his moments and credit will be due him . Brooks has abilities and in some limited manner , can lead . Brooks is also limited in certain areas and excels in others . I would not trade Brooks for Everett , who I did not like on or off the field . Ricky Williams is another sore spot with me , he is a plow horse and his leggs are too short . Ricky would make a great fullback , Duece is a runningback .

Delhomme lacks the Big play ability . That takes me into an age old favorite , Montana/ Young debate . Years from now , fans will be hard pressed to even remember Steve Young , The cool , calculating field general Montana will always be an Icon for the 40 Whiners .The highly talented , big play ability quarterbacks litter the path way to the Superbowl . It\'s the cool , calm field generals that own it .

Brooks , unfortunately reminds me of another highly talented , Big play ability quarterback , Randall Cunningham .

Time will tell .........

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Ok, here\'s my question for you guys. Do you really think now is the time to start playing with what got you to this record? My thought is that when you\'re trying to make your way into the playoffs in the best position you can attain, you dance with who brung you. After all you\'re replacing a guy who is at or near the top in touchdown passes. Not a good idea if you ask me. I like Jake but at this time he is a backup, a damn good one but still a backup. I do however agree with some of you that Haz needs to use AB more as the mobile QB that he is, AB needs to learn to move forward when he can\'t find a reciever and the rush is getting to close. :D GO SAINTS!

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Indeed, Sir...time WILL tell. As I have said before, AB is still learning -- by my own admission and by his -- but to cast someone with his obvious ability to the dogs without giving him time to grow would be the act of a foolish man. If you think he should have mastered the game by now, think again. If Brett Farve\'s earlier years were any indication, then he\'d be doing something else for a living today. His raw talent and ability was seen by people who are paid to recognize such things. Be honest. You\'ve seen the great Brett Farve stink it up a few times this year haven\'t you? I have.

Yes, the time for AB to perform is NOW, but that doesn\'t mean he shouldn\'t continue to improve or that he should have mastered the game by now or that he won\'t pitch a \"Cleveland\" every now and then. Not by any stretch. I\'d bet Payton Manning is still learning. I\'d bet Culpepper, McNabb, Garcia, etc etc are all still learning. Things constantly change, so being a player in the NFL would stipulate that learning is a constant. Why do you think Jerry Rice practices his route running with such dedication? In my opinion he does it to get better. The great Jerry Rice get better? You betcha! I\'m sure Brett Farve would like to cut down on his INT\'s. I think he has room to improve in that area. Don\'t you?

There are lots of VERY good QB\'s that either never made it to the Superbowl or never won it. Dan Marino comes to mind. It\'s a team thing. Also, it is not a requirement that one become an Icon to wear a Superbowl ring. In the game that featured \"The Catch\", Joe Montana was admitidly trying to throw the ball away out of the endzone. It\'s only because he FAILED to elevate the ball as much as he would have liked that Dwight Clark was able to catch it. A mistake makes an Icon? I don\'t think so. I think Joe\'s legacy is due in part to the fact(s) that he was a GREAT QB surrounded by GREAT players in what was at the time a GREAT organization. Timing has almost as much to do with it as talent. That\'s why Marino never won the Superbowl. He just didn\'t have the supporting cast to get it done. God knows he had the talent. I\'m not taking anything away from Joe. In my humble opinion he\'s one of the greatest...maybe THE greatest...thats up for debate. What I\'m saying is a team must be good as well as get a little lucky to win the big game in the NFL, and I don\'t think there\'s a player or coach alive or dead who would disagree.

AB is the best QB the Saints have had in a LONG time. His potential is almost unlimited. Nothing guarantees a Superbowl win, and no one player is responsible for the fate of a team. Not even the great Joe Montana. I bet he\'d even admit it.

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The Catch , was called by Walsh .

Walsh told Montana to throw the ball high so that if Clark was not able to get it , it would sail out of the end zone and they would get another shot . It was designed to be high , because Clark had the obvious heighth advantage . Although Clark was not the primary receiver on the route , Montana knew exactly where to put the Ball .

From the archives .

Losing his balance, going backwards, Montana hurled the ball to Dwight Clark at the back of the end zone. The toss to the 6-foot-4 Clark was thrown very high. The defender Everson Walls gave up on the play saying later that he thought Clark had no chance to make the catch since the ball was thrown so high. But a leaping Clark made the catch, grabbing the ball with his fingertips and coming down just barely in bounds for the TD.

Pandemonium prevailed at Candlestick. San Fran held on for a 28-27 win, giving them their first Super Bowl berth. What Dwight Clark accomplished has gone down in football lore as \"The Catch.\" There are those who argue that Joe Montana was trying to get rid of the ball and throw it out of the end zone, and that Clark happened to get in the way.

\"That\'s not true,\" Clark explained. \"That was a play that we practiced over and over again.\"


[Edited on 14/12/2002 by saintz08]

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You\'re correct sir. \"The Catch\" was indeed a designed play, and Clark was not the primary receiver. The primary receiver slipped and fell early in that play. Joe was rolling to his right being chased by virtually the entire Dallas defensive line. He\'s back peddling (ya\'ll hate it when AB does that) and literally running for his life. And you\'re also right when you say the ball was to be either thrown high or thrown away. I\'ve seen several interviews where Joe was asked about that play...and whether or not he was throwing the ball away. He has indicated many times...always smiling...that he\'ll \"Never tell\". He threw the ball across his body and off his back foot. I\'m not sure what that tells you, but it indicates to me that he was trying to get rid of the ball. You see it your way...and I\'ll see it mine. Maybe I\'m just being realistic. If you can find the interview of Joe Montana done by Chris Berman...the most recent I think...you\'ll see exactly what I mean.

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Are you two married? My freaking brain hurts from reading this stuff.

Oh yeah...play AB right or give Jake the ball.

08..where\'d you get the PFW quote abut Jake?? I couldn\'t find it on the website. Cuz one person I have more faith in that knows more about fotball than anyone else in the press in Joel Buchsbaum

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Paste the quote and I will hunt up the link .

It may have been sent to me .

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page 2 of this thread........your post - 10/12 @ 1:29

I want Delhomme
 

Here is the link :

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...bles120702.htm

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I want Delhomme
 

Alright Saintsfan did time tell ???

2 years in a row Brooks tanks when the pressure is on ...

Here to me is the most important stat . In the last 2 years of the games that lead up to the playoffs a total of 7 games .

Record: 0-7

Pass Attempts: 241

Pass completed: 128 53%
For the record last (3) this year 48%

Td\'s: 10

INT\'s: 15

Record: 0-7

New Stat- SAL: Smiles After Lossess - 7 for 7

The last two stats says it all !

Did you once say something about eating crow ???