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saintz08 · 12-06-2002, 10:08 PM

Here is a good one .

Look who some Panther fans want penciled in as their starter next year .

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Interesting points Peach.

What do you know about Jake Delhomme. He looks like a guy who could help us. As of now, he is a UFA and if the Saints get a little carried away with a pricey FA and their TWO* 1st round picks they might not get to keep Delhomme. I think he will want significantly more than the minimum to be Brooks permanent backup. He would probably take the equivalent cash to have a chance to start . . . even for us.)

*(Ricky Williams will be reaching the 1,500 mark and the Saints will get their 1st round pick)

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That is where I have him penciled for next year , starting in a west coast system . That thought is rather scary .

SycoSurfer · 12-06-2002, 11:00 PM

The main thing that keeps coming up is how great Brooks future will be. How he will only get better. I agree that he will but the truth is he is in the end of his 3rd year counting the end of 2000 as our starter. He cannot keep saying rookie mistakes. He is our starting QB because of what he did 2 years ago. He came in and took a team to our first playoff win and he was a PLAYMAKER. Since then in the last 2 years has he played one game like he played in 2000? No he hasnt. He had to learn the system over the offseason and in 2000 he just had to go in and make things happen. Now that he has to read D\'s and audible and the things that smarter QBs learn to do he isnt doing or learning to do. He has traded his playmaking label for the pocket passer and he is not good at it. He needs to swallow his pride make things happen and get back to what he was good at.

Jake gets alot of praise cause he is a smart QB that knows this system. He might not have all the talent(great arm or scrambling ability that Brooks has) Did ppl think Koy Detmer was going to come in and do what McNabb does? No but he came in and played great. Im not saying Koy will start over McNabb cause he had one good game Im just saying alot of ppl think Brooks is soo much better than Jake that we have no chance with Jake and they are wrong. Truth is Jake is smarter and more acurate thank Brooks and he knows the system better. Also I think he is a better leader. I mean taking the chance he did on that run/pass option at the end of the game proves he has confidence and the willingness to take alot on his shoulders.

If AB is not 100% he should not play. We need him healthy for the playoffs. If he comes in and gets hit and hurts his arm worst then what? We have Jake come in having only 2 starts and he has to get ready to start a game in the playoffs? Baltimore has alot of ballhawks and a hard hitting D so Brooks needs to take the week off.

Jake is back up cause he didnt win the job in preseason?!? Are you ppl crazy. Did Brady win his job in preseason? What about Kurt Warner? You cannot just put a QB on the field and have him be great cause he can throw it 70 yards and hit a target. Leaf had all the tools but no leadership or heart. Doug Flutie ring a bell he was never given a chance and he won a Heisman. Then he had to go to Canada and win a few MVPs and titles before he was given another shot at the NFL. He never had the talent but had the heart and leadership and that is what counts. Farve got traded cause he didnt get a chance to prove what he was. You think Atlanta would have traded him if they knew he was gonna be this good? Its not about what you can do in practice when nothing is on the line it is how you react when you get out there in a real game situation. Some ppl are just naturals when they get on the field they make things happen. Is Brady more talented than Bledsoe? No but he makes plays. It sumtymes isnt how talented a player is but how well he fits in your system. Last year we traded Ricky to a power running team cause we wanted a better receiver. Who would you say is having a better season? Its not that Ricky wasnt a great player but he wasnt what we wanted. Brooks is a great athlete, but is he right for this system?

Pakowitz-The reason why the Eagles didnt play a great offensive game was because that was the 3rd string QB making his first start of his career. The week before against the Niners Detmer lit them up. 18 of 26 227 yards 2 TDs and a TD rushing before getting hurt in the 3rd!

Aj Feely is like JT O\'Sullivan except AJ has been in the league for a year. You think JT Could come in and light up a team? Koy Detmer is kinda like Jake. A veteran on a team with a great starter and he knows the system but doesnt get much chance of showing his skills. Koy might never be a starter anywhere but he is a proven backup that deserves a chance to come in when the starter isn\'t healthy. Just as Jake is. Jake will not be asked to carry this team for the rest of the season but asking him to play this week so Brooks can get healthy is not too much to ask.

Brooks might be the best QB we have talent wise, but is he the best QB to run a west coast system? We have never had a true west coast type of QB since Haslett got here. If we are going to run a west coast system we need a smart QB with good accuracy and great leadership. Im not saying Jake is the guy to replace Brooks, but he seems to fit the system better.

NellyFord · 12-07-2002, 01:26 AM

I have to agree with you Syco! Delhomme should get an opp.

pakowitz · 12-07-2002, 02:50 AM

anyone can light it up on the 49ers pass D, they only rank 27th in the league

billyh1026 · 12-07-2002, 04:28 PM

What I\'m trying to tell you AB lovers is that AB isn\'t an awful QB. I\'m just saying that the Saints coaches aren\'t using him how they should. HE IS A MOBILE QB. THEY\'VE said as much. So WHY do they not use him in more of a mobile way?? What I\'m saying is that if you\'ve got a car that can take corners at 50mph & go straight at 100mph, then why run it at 40mph all the time?

Bottom line: either use AB in a mobile fashion or let Jake run the West Coast offense.

If the coaches don\'t figure out AB he\'ll be another Jake Plummer.

saintz08 · 12-08-2002, 07:57 PM

Going 7 of 8 for over a 100 yards might not be a bad reason to start Jake either .

It was kind of nice to see a quarterback wearing a Saints uniform , take command at both the line of scrimmage and in the huddle .

daviddrake2 · 12-08-2002, 08:06 PM

I gotta give Jake a hand. He performed well in relief today. I especially liked the way he broke away from that defender and scrambled for the first down in the fourth. It showed poise and allowed us to take over six more minutes off of the clock, not to mention allowed us to put three more points on the board.

I also have to say that Aaron also played pretty well today. He even had one 1st down run himself.

All in all, a pretty well quarterbacked game with no QB turnovers.

Go SAINTS!!!!

David in Houston

saintz08 · 12-08-2002, 09:33 PM

9 of 25
I thought Brooks played normal .I do not know about pretty well , but normal .

daviddrake2 · 12-08-2002, 10:43 PM

I\' guessing that \'pretty good\' in my book is about the same as \'normal\' in yours. Brooks has a few nice throws, a TD, one key run and no ints. His completion percentage was not too good, but he did not make any major throwing errors this week or get caught backstepping every other snap like he seemed to be doing with way too much frequency since mid-season.

So if I was comparing Brooks\' game today to how it has been the last few weeks (possibly excluding most of the Bucs game), I think he played pretty well.

saintz08 · 12-09-2002, 01:51 AM

I do find it rather amusing that Brooks has been the starter for now what , 2 1/2 years and it takes time to learn the system , learn control , learn leadership and learn to throw smarter passes . Jake comes in cold off the bench , with a total of maybe 4 NFL appearances and handles the offense perfectly and throws somewhere in the 90 % completion range . Brooks supposedly deserves all the admiration of supporters for hitting somewhere in the 50 % range .

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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I want Delhomme Here is a good one . Look who some Panther fans want penciled in as their starter next year . Wadson Subscribe to Author Ignore Author RE: RE: Free Agent QB\'s 12/06/02 12:34PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting points Peach. What do you know about Jake Delhomme. He looks like a guy who could help us. As of now, he is a UFA and if the Saints get a little carried away with a pricey FA and their TWO* 1st round picks they might not get to keep Delhomme. I think he will want significantly more than the minimum to be Brooks permanent backup. He would probably take the equivalent cash to have a chance to start . . . even for us.) *(Ricky Williams will be reaching the 1,500 mark and the Saints will get their 1st round pick) Up to Msg List \| Search \| Send to a Friend \| Help << Prev Topic \| Next Topic >> Community Moderators: PantherFan Site-Specific Moderators: none That is where I have him penciled for next year , starting in a west coast system . That thought is rather scary .
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12-06-2002, 11:00 PM	#22
SycoSurfer 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 108	I want Delhomme The main thing that keeps coming up is how great Brooks future will be. How he will only get better. I agree that he will but the truth is he is in the end of his 3rd year counting the end of 2000 as our starter. He cannot keep saying rookie mistakes. He is our starting QB because of what he did 2 years ago. He came in and took a team to our first playoff win and he was a PLAYMAKER. Since then in the last 2 years has he played one game like he played in 2000? No he hasnt. He had to learn the system over the offseason and in 2000 he just had to go in and make things happen. Now that he has to read D\'s and audible and the things that smarter QBs learn to do he isnt doing or learning to do. He has traded his playmaking label for the pocket passer and he is not good at it. He needs to swallow his pride make things happen and get back to what he was good at. Jake gets alot of praise cause he is a smart QB that knows this system. He might not have all the talent(great arm or scrambling ability that Brooks has) Did ppl think Koy Detmer was going to come in and do what McNabb does? No but he came in and played great. Im not saying Koy will start over McNabb cause he had one good game Im just saying alot of ppl think Brooks is soo much better than Jake that we have no chance with Jake and they are wrong. Truth is Jake is smarter and more acurate thank Brooks and he knows the system better. Also I think he is a better leader. I mean taking the chance he did on that run/pass option at the end of the game proves he has confidence and the willingness to take alot on his shoulders. If AB is not 100% he should not play. We need him healthy for the playoffs. If he comes in and gets hit and hurts his arm worst then what? We have Jake come in having only 2 starts and he has to get ready to start a game in the playoffs? Baltimore has alot of ballhawks and a hard hitting D so Brooks needs to take the week off. Jake is back up cause he didnt win the job in preseason?!? Are you ppl crazy. Did Brady win his job in preseason? What about Kurt Warner? You cannot just put a QB on the field and have him be great cause he can throw it 70 yards and hit a target. Leaf had all the tools but no leadership or heart. Doug Flutie ring a bell he was never given a chance and he won a Heisman. Then he had to go to Canada and win a few MVPs and titles before he was given another shot at the NFL. He never had the talent but had the heart and leadership and that is what counts. Farve got traded cause he didnt get a chance to prove what he was. You think Atlanta would have traded him if they knew he was gonna be this good? Its not about what you can do in practice when nothing is on the line it is how you react when you get out there in a real game situation. Some ppl are just naturals when they get on the field they make things happen. Is Brady more talented than Bledsoe? No but he makes plays. It sumtymes isnt how talented a player is but how well he fits in your system. Last year we traded Ricky to a power running team cause we wanted a better receiver. Who would you say is having a better season? Its not that Ricky wasnt a great player but he wasnt what we wanted. Brooks is a great athlete, but is he right for this system? Pakowitz-The reason why the Eagles didnt play a great offensive game was because that was the 3rd string QB making his first start of his career. The week before against the Niners Detmer lit them up. 18 of 26 227 yards 2 TDs and a TD rushing before getting hurt in the 3rd! Aj Feely is like JT O\'Sullivan except AJ has been in the league for a year. You think JT Could come in and light up a team? Koy Detmer is kinda like Jake. A veteran on a team with a great starter and he knows the system but doesnt get much chance of showing his skills. Koy might never be a starter anywhere but he is a proven backup that deserves a chance to come in when the starter isn\'t healthy. Just as Jake is. Jake will not be asked to carry this team for the rest of the season but asking him to play this week so Brooks can get healthy is not too much to ask. Brooks might be the best QB we have talent wise, but is he the best QB to run a west coast system? We have never had a true west coast type of QB since Haslett got here. If we are going to run a west coast system we need a smart QB with good accuracy and great leadership. Im not saying Jake is the guy to replace Brooks, but he seems to fit the system better.
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12-07-2002, 01:26 AM	#23
NellyFord Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monkey Island Insane Asylum Posts: 58	I want Delhomme I have to agree with you Syco! Delhomme should get an opp.

12-07-2002, 02:50 AM	#24
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12-07-2002, 04:28 PM	#25
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	I want Delhomme What I\'m trying to tell you AB lovers is that AB isn\'t an awful QB. I\'m just saying that the Saints coaches aren\'t using him how they should. HE IS A MOBILE QB. THEY\'VE said as much. So WHY do they not use him in more of a mobile way?? What I\'m saying is that if you\'ve got a car that can take corners at 50mph & go straight at 100mph, then why run it at 40mph all the time? Bottom line: either use AB in a mobile fashion or let Jake run the West Coast offense. If the coaches don\'t figure out AB he\'ll be another Jake Plummer.
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12-08-2002, 07:57 PM	#26
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I want Delhomme Going 7 of 8 for over a 100 yards might not be a bad reason to start Jake either . It was kind of nice to see a quarterback wearing a Saints uniform , take command at both the line of scrimmage and in the huddle .
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12-08-2002, 08:06 PM	#27
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	I want Delhomme I gotta give Jake a hand. He performed well in relief today. I especially liked the way he broke away from that defender and scrambled for the first down in the fourth. It showed poise and allowed us to take over six more minutes off of the clock, not to mention allowed us to put three more points on the board. I also have to say that Aaron also played pretty well today. He even had one 1st down run himself. All in all, a pretty well quarterbacked game with no QB turnovers. Go SAINTS!!!! David in Houston

12-08-2002, 09:33 PM	#28
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I want Delhomme 9 of 25 I thought Brooks played normal .I do not know about pretty well , but normal .
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12-08-2002, 10:43 PM	#29
daviddrake2 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Houston (formerly N.O.) Posts: 270	I want Delhomme I\' guessing that \'pretty good\' in my book is about the same as \'normal\' in yours. Brooks has a few nice throws, a TD, one key run and no ints. His completion percentage was not too good, but he did not make any major throwing errors this week or get caught backstepping every other snap like he seemed to be doing with way too much frequency since mid-season. So if I was comparing Brooks\' game today to how it has been the last few weeks (possibly excluding most of the Bucs game), I think he played pretty well.

12-09-2002, 01:51 AM	#30
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I want Delhomme I do find it rather amusing that Brooks has been the starter for now what , 2 1/2 years and it takes time to learn the system , learn control , learn leadership and learn to throw smarter passes . Jake comes in cold off the bench , with a total of maybe 4 NFL appearances and handles the offense perfectly and throws somewhere in the 90 % completion range . Brooks supposedly deserves all the admiration of supporters for hitting somewhere in the 50 % range .
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