Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons

Budsdrinker · 08-15-2012, 10:09 AM

The difference I noticed between Vilma and Lofton and this is from last year when watching Lofton play for the failcons is that Lofton would shead his blocker quicker than Vilma and get to the ball. Vilma would stay engaged with his blocker longer and I'm not sure if that was GW's system or just Vilma.

FinSaint · 08-15-2012, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

I see where yall are going. But i and everyone on here has seen vilma get run over at the goal line or first down. Lofton looks like he delivers the blow way harder than vilma and is a little more agressive at the line of scrimmage. he makes back field tackles where i think vilma would have met the guy at the line. Vilma may be better in pass but i have not had the chnace to watch lofton in too many passing situations yet. However..this is a great problme to have when we tiff over 1a and 1b. Both are prob the best LB we have had in years. Both on the field together would be awesome. Lofton says healthier than vilma i think too

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference I noticed between Vilma and Lofton and this is from last year when watching Lofton play for the failcons is that Lofton would shead his blocker quicker than Vilma and get to the ball. Vilma would stay engaged with his blocker longer and I'm not sure if that was GW's system or just Vilma.

Both of you have valid points, but I seem to remember Vilma being all over the place making tackles, especially in 2008 when he joined the Saints. What has stuck with me about his play back then is that he had awesome east-west pursuit capabilities and solid tackling, both of which stood out within the Saints' defense. I didn't really see him play for the Jets, and the 3-4 really didn't suit him like he has openly stated afterwards, so I can't say if 2008 was a sample of him being in his prime.

The issue is that we were talking about the comparison between Vilma in his prime and Lofton as he is at the moment, and those kind of comparisons are always troublesome for many obvious reasons. If I were to make the hypothetical choice between the two above mentioned players - I'd choose Vilma, but only by a very small margin, and because I haven't seen enough of Lofton yet to make a better evaluation of his skill-set and capabilities. But with that said, today's Vilma is probably nowhere near where he was in his prime, and so I'm more than happy having Lofton occupy the MLB spot on the Saints' defense.

Utah_Saint · 08-15-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Just like Tom Brady did... Lofton has been great in coverage so far

He was well above average in coverage last year too. 7 passes defended and 2 interceptions is very good for a linebacker. Add 147 tackles and that's a great every down back. With a chip on his shoulder, I expect him to be even better this year.

NuNu318 · 08-17-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

We live in your heads rent-free, too. I know for a fact the Falcons are relevant in any hardcore Saints fans thoughts.

This right here is hilarious to me after watching the Falcons preseason game last night......

Even though you THINK you live rent free in Saints minds.....how do you explain the lack of testicular fortitude to go for it on 4th & 1 in the 1st qtr..............of a preseason game. The sounds of emphatic boo's as the offense left the field (even though there were like 2 people in there) was glorious. LOL.

Where's all that Risin'Up or whatever you guys call it when its time to go for it? I mean there's nothing @ stake....its not like its OT on your own 29.......its a preseason game. LOL.

That lack of confidence, even in a preseason game...where you'r SUPPOSED to work on 4th & short because the games don't count.......shows how the Fleur De Lis has been branded in your subconscience.....

SaintsBro · 08-17-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

This right here is hilarious to me after watching the Falcons preseason game last night......

Even though you THINK you live rent free in Saints minds.....how do you explain the lack of testicular fortitude to go for it on 4th & 1 in the 1st qtr..............of a preseason game. The sounds of emphatic boo's as the offense left the field (even though there were like 2 people in there) was glorious. LOL.

Where's all that Risin'Up or whatever you guys call it when its time to go for it? I mean there's nothing @ stake....its not like its OT on your own 29.......its a preseason game. LOL.

That lack of confidence, even in a preseason game...where you'r SUPPOSED to work on 4th & short because the games don't count.......shows how the Fleur De Lis has been branded in your subconscience.....

OH I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT - AWESOME - that is the dictionary picture definition of being in someone's head. I'm dying laughing over here. 4th and 1, ring any bells, Atlanta fans? Too chicken to even work on it in a game that doesn't count.

I've been saying this for months -- This season, if Mike Smith goes for it on 4th down, one more time, ANY time, and doesn't get it, and the Falcons go on to lose that game, the fans and the media will eat him alive. And he knows it. He is completely spooked. That's totally why he didn't go for it. Saints. In. His. Head.

TheOak · 08-17-2012, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

We live in your heads rent-free, too. I know for a fact the Falcons are relevant in any hardcore Saints fans thoughts.

As relevant as running out of toilet paper.... I know its out there but not something I worry about.

228jits · 08-18-2012, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The thing that probably puts Vilma (in his prime) before Lofton in my opinion is his leadership qualities on and off the field, and although we've heard great things all offseason about Lofton's abilities in this regard as well - he is still an unproven commodity and that is why I'd still place Vilma (in his prime) above Lofton overall. Vilma has (or had) this great ability to make players around him better just by his presence and leadership alone, and hopefully Lofton will be able to do the same with the Saints... he sure wasn't able to do it with the Failclowns' players, but then again, who could?!

Regardless, I'm so happy that the Saints were able to sign him, and that he wanted to become a Saint in the first place.

Lofton has always been the leader on the field. He was menacing at Oklahoma, in every play in Atlanta, and proving it here in Black and Gold too.

Saint Talon · 08-19-2012, 08:53 AM

Who dat gonna coach dem Saints???????????? Not Peyton lol.
See ya in November.

|Mitch| · 08-19-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Saint Talon

Who dat gonna coach dem Saints???????????? Not Peyton lol.
See ya in November.

Really?

And it's Payton not Peyton...

better hope your secondary has improved by November

Speedy Ron · 08-19-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Really? And it's Payton not Peyton...

better hope your secondary has improved by November

Lol... Asante got burned the other night by a less than quick wr. This guy is 5 years removed from his prime. Grimes is a one year wonder as well. We took their best defender. Oh yea... Don't forget that Ryan is a pu$$y, per lofton

08-15-2012, 10:09 AM	#51
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons The difference I noticed between Vilma and Lofton and this is from last year when watching Lofton play for the failcons is that Lofton would shead his blocker quicker than Vilma and get to the ball. Vilma would stay engaged with his blocker longer and I'm not sure if that was GW's system or just Vilma.

08-15-2012, 12:14 PM	#52
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by Speedy Ron I see where yall are going. But i and everyone on here has seen vilma get run over at the goal line or first down. Lofton looks like he delivers the blow way harder than vilma and is a little more agressive at the line of scrimmage. he makes back field tackles where i think vilma would have met the guy at the line. Vilma may be better in pass but i have not had the chnace to watch lofton in too many passing situations yet. However..this is a great problme to have when we tiff over 1a and 1b. Both are prob the best LB we have had in years. Both on the field together would be awesome. Lofton says healthier than vilma i think too Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference I noticed between Vilma and Lofton and this is from last year when watching Lofton play for the failcons is that Lofton would shead his blocker quicker than Vilma and get to the ball. Vilma would stay engaged with his blocker longer and I'm not sure if that was GW's system or just Vilma. Both of you have valid points, but I seem to remember Vilma being all over the place making tackles, especially in 2008 when he joined the Saints. What has stuck with me about his play back then is that he had awesome east-west pursuit capabilities and solid tackling, both of which stood out within the Saints' defense. I didn't really see him play for the Jets, and the 3-4 really didn't suit him like he has openly stated afterwards, so I can't say if 2008 was a sample of him being in his prime. The issue is that we were talking about the comparison between Vilma in his prime and Lofton as he is at the moment, and those kind of comparisons are always troublesome for many obvious reasons. If I were to make the hypothetical choice between the two above mentioned players - I'd choose Vilma, but only by a very small margin, and because I haven't seen enough of Lofton yet to make a better evaluation of his skill-set and capabilities. But with that said, today's Vilma is probably nowhere near where he was in his prime, and so I'm more than happy having Lofton occupy the MLB spot on the Saints' defense. Stealthman likes this.
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08-15-2012, 04:11 PM	#53
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Just like Tom Brady did... Lofton has been great in coverage so far He was well above average in coverage last year too. 7 passes defended and 2 interceptions is very good for a linebacker. Add 147 tackles and that's a great every down back. With a chip on his shoulder, I expect him to be even better this year. Stealthman and sharke like this.

08-17-2012, 10:28 AM	#54
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by atltillidie We live in your heads rent-free, too. I know for a fact the Falcons are relevant in any hardcore Saints fans thoughts. This right here is hilarious to me after watching the Falcons preseason game last night...... Even though you THINK you live rent free in Saints minds.....how do you explain the lack of testicular fortitude to go for it on 4th & 1 in the 1st qtr..............of a preseason game. The sounds of emphatic boo's as the offense left the field (even though there were like 2 people in there) was glorious. LOL. Where's all that Risin'Up or whatever you guys call it when its time to go for it? I mean there's nothing @ stake....its not like its OT on your own 29.......its a preseason game. LOL. That lack of confidence, even in a preseason game...where you'r SUPPOSED to work on 4th & short because the games don't count.......shows how the Fleur De Lis has been branded in your subconscience..... SaintsBro and Utah_Saint like this.

08-17-2012, 10:48 AM	#55
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by NuNu318 This right here is hilarious to me after watching the Falcons preseason game last night...... Even though you THINK you live rent free in Saints minds.....how do you explain the lack of testicular fortitude to go for it on 4th & 1 in the 1st qtr..............of a preseason game. The sounds of emphatic boo's as the offense left the field (even though there were like 2 people in there) was glorious. LOL. Where's all that Risin'Up or whatever you guys call it when its time to go for it? I mean there's nothing @ stake....its not like its OT on your own 29.......its a preseason game. LOL. That lack of confidence, even in a preseason game...where you'r SUPPOSED to work on 4th & short because the games don't count.......shows how the Fleur De Lis has been branded in your subconscience..... OH I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT - AWESOME - that is the dictionary picture definition of being in someone's head. I'm dying laughing over here. 4th and 1, ring any bells, Atlanta fans? Too chicken to even work on it in a game that doesn't count. I've been saying this for months -- This season, if Mike Smith goes for it on 4th down, one more time, ANY time, and doesn't get it, and the Falcons go on to lose that game, the fans and the media will eat him alive. And he knows it. He is completely spooked. That's totally why he didn't go for it. Saints. In. His. Head.

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08-17-2012, 01:17 PM	#56
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by atltillidie We live in your heads rent-free, too. I know for a fact the Falcons are relevant in any hardcore Saints fans thoughts. As relevant as running out of toilet paper.... I know its out there but not something I worry about.

08-18-2012, 01:32 AM	#57
228jits Southern Sooner Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gulfcoast, MS Posts: 83	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by FinSaint The thing that probably puts Vilma (in his prime) before Lofton in my opinion is his leadership qualities on and off the field, and although we've heard great things all offseason about Lofton's abilities in this regard as well - he is still an unproven commodity and that is why I'd still place Vilma (in his prime) above Lofton overall. Vilma has (or had) this great ability to make players around him better just by his presence and leadership alone, and hopefully Lofton will be able to do the same with the Saints... he sure wasn't able to do it with the Failclowns' players, but then again, who could?! Regardless, I'm so happy that the Saints were able to sign him, and that he wanted to become a Saint in the first place. Lofton has always been the leader on the field. He was menacing at Oklahoma, in every play in Atlanta, and proving it here in Black and Gold too.

08-19-2012, 08:53 AM	#58
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08-19-2012, 09:11 AM	#59
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by Saint Talon Who dat gonna coach dem Saints???????????? Not Peyton lol. See ya in November. Really? And it's Payton not Peyton... better hope your secondary has improved by November

08-19-2012, 09:36 AM	#60
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Lofton: Back-door slam of the Falcons Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Really? And it's Payton not Peyton... better hope your secondary has improved by November Lol... Asante got burned the other night by a less than quick wr. This guy is 5 years removed from his prime. Grimes is a one year wonder as well. We took their best defender. Oh yea... Don't forget that Ryan is a pu$$y, per lofton

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