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I'll say it again. The Saints are not showing their hand. They want everyone to think they are struggling. The important thing now is not to have any more injuries.

The Dude

I also think that missing Payton will be huge. Not as much play calling but tough decisions like going for it on 4th, roster changes, and personnel grouping will be where we really see it.

poydras

We'll see who's right in 20 days.

Halo

I've said from the day Sean Payton was suspended for the year that we would feel it in the win/loss column. He's the head coach, a very strong one, and the glue that binds this team together.

I don't feel strongly about the offense play style being the difference maker as much as the little things that happen during a game. Like when to play players, time-out control, game pacing, when to run a trick play or not, and when to rally troops etc.

Sean Payton is a master at turning the tide of a game and a season. He's up there with the best coaches when it comes to risk and decision-making during a game.

These "details" and intangibles could be the difference between a 6 or 8 win season and a 10 or 12 win season. Just my opinion, and I hope I'm wrong and this does not come true.