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kenpersons · 07-13-2004, 08:55 PM

I\'m with Billy on this one, but I haven\'t always been on cloud 4. Jeff Blake was my favorite quarterback for a long time, having won my respect while he was an East Carolina pirate, so when AB stole his job, I was livid.

In fact, I will forever believe that if Blake had gotten his chance that second year we\'d have been right back in the playoffs. Brooks\' inexperience cost us.

That said, I\'ve come around.

His smile, the one fans hate when chips are down, that\'s what\'s gonna put him over the top. If he let mistakes eat him he\'d have no shot at greatness, and probably wouldn\'t have made it this far.

Well, he doesn\'t have that problem, and when that smile is accompanied by a Lombardi trophy, you\'ll agree.

His talent is top five in the league. Period. Name more than four other starting QB\'s with more physical tools without lying. I dare you.

(400 yds passing then 100 yds rushing = scoreboard)

That sound you hear is the pieces of a championship season falling into place. You don\'t have to believe, but I promise, you\'ll see.

[Edited on 14/7/2004 by kenpersons]

saintz08 · 07-14-2004, 12:28 AM

You want Brooks out, right? Who would you have start? Bouman? Kordell Stewart?

Bouman is a bust

Trade Brooks / Bouman and a DT to be named later for Rattay or Pennington .

Go for Pennington , J.T. is solid enough and pick up a valued backup after they get to the roster limit .....

saintz08 · 07-14-2004, 12:53 AM

1. Folks that openly admit they hate Brooks: BrooksMustGo and saintz08.

Hold the phone here .

I am not sure about that Brooks hater title I am getting here .

I would have cheered for Brooks in a Chargers uniform , when they played the Falcons. Now if Steve Young became a Saint I would spend every game cheering for both defenses .....

BrooksMustGo · 07-14-2004, 09:54 AM

I don\'t hate Brooks.

I do think he is basically Jeff George though--all potential and no delivery. I\'d like for him to be the QB on my flag football team at the company picnic but he has no business as QB of professional football team.

WhoDat · 07-14-2004, 02:09 PM

2. The hidden agenda folks: (you know who you are)
These folks want to appear as though they are unbiased. These are the people you have to watch out for. They critique everything from completion % to wonderlic scores to touch passes, to reading defenses, to how he sounds when he\'s being interviewed. In other word: They just look for ANYTHING to complain about. But they take the stand they don\'t hate Brooks. Maybe not, but something sticks out to me as being odd. Maybe, it\'s just my imagination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subtlety is not your strong point Billy. I wonder who you\'re referring to.

And yes, you\'re right, it is your imagination. Those same people that \"critique everything\" about Brooks do NOT only focus on the negative. Some of \"those people\" have defended Brooks on this board. Some have said that he is and should be the starter. Some have said he can and should be a Pro Bowler this season. You\'re right Billy, your perception is skewed. Point is, SOME PEOPLE critique EVERYTHING about Brooks. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Others REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE MAN HAS ANY FLAWS. That goes beyond your run of the mill Brooks lover - from now on I\'m going to call \"those people\" Brooks Stalkers.

Danno · 07-14-2004, 03:57 PM

NUTS

We\'re not worthy!
We\'re not worthy!

flanders · 07-15-2004, 11:20 PM

Hi, I never post here, I just read alot, but I wanted to give my two cents.

1. No one is currently available to replace Brooks, and make the team improve. However...If the Saints had realized a year or two ago the chance to say trade a second round pick (and maybe Brooks) for a chance to get Eli Manning this year, that would have been ideal. I mean so what, we would have sucked, Haslett would be fired, but honestly 3 years from now everyone would be like \"The Has what?\" \"Brooks who??\". I sincerely hope the Saints don\'t lose the chance to grab another key player next year, Corey Webster, LSU.

2. No matter how you look at it, Brooks is a top 15 quarterback. You can\'t argue with that. When you are a top 15 quarterback in the National Football League, you don\'t need to toss around wonderlic scores and year after year of stats to show who\'s better than someone else. You are a talented, athletic individual, period. The bottom line is - Over the course of the last 3 seasons, Brooks (along with other members of the team) have found ways to lose gamves for the Saints (anyone remember the Bengals who were 0-100000?) Brooks has greatly improved from a rook, to a seasoned veteran, however until he consistently improves all facets of his game every Sunday, he will not be the \"leader\" that we need.

3. Brooks (unless by some super bowl type miracle) will not achieve those awesome numbers of 4000 yards, 30+ TD\'s etc. We have Deuce (9 100 yard games in a row!) and possibly Mike Karney to take some of Brooks stats. Also, when you said 5 lost fumbles or less, stating that he had 2 last season, (and obviously fumbling was a factor that caused the Saints to lose games, i.e. Bucs game) you would want something like 1 lost fumble or 0 lost fumbles, not 5 or less, that\'s not an improvement. Ok I\'m done. Anyone agree, disagree, don\'t care?? Speak up, I\'ll probably start posting here often

JKool · 07-16-2004, 02:15 AM

Welcome aboard Flanders.

I will disagree, just to get you started.

(1) It is not clear to me that there isn\'t someone to replace Brooks (not that I think he should be). It is just the case that there is no PROVEN person to replace Brooks right now. However, there is always some second stringer somewhere just waiting for a chance to excel (e.g. Delhomme).

(2) No one \"finds\" ways to lose games! Sometimes you have certain skills, luck, play calling that go or don\'t go your way. There was no time that any player was thinking \"oh, it would be cool if we lost this new and exciting way\". I know that you didn\'t mean this, but I\'m kind of tired of people saying things like \"Brooks will find some new way to fail\". Every guy on this team (or any NFL team for that matter) plays to win, and Brooks is no exception. Maybe he needs a little more practice here or there, but he certainly doesn\'t need to be taught to win - he (and every single other NFL player) learned that when they played at the age of 10!

(3) How do you figure that Karney will take some of Brooks numbers? As of right now, the FB is only scheduled to play 1/3 of the offensive downs. Also, our FB usage is primarily as a blocker.

(4) Most people on this board will tell you that Brooks numbers are irrelevant; it is only W/L that matters. Now, I\'m not one of those people, but I figured I\'d ask you what you thought about that before someone else said it in a much nastier manner.

JKool · 07-16-2004, 02:16 AM

Gator, wtf mate?

JKool · 07-16-2004, 02:18 AM

kp,

Did you mean could nine? What is could 4?

07-13-2004, 08:55 PM	#21
kenpersons Registered Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 92	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro I\'m with Billy on this one, but I haven\'t always been on cloud 4. Jeff Blake was my favorite quarterback for a long time, having won my respect while he was an East Carolina pirate, so when AB stole his job, I was livid. In fact, I will forever believe that if Blake had gotten his chance that second year we\'d have been right back in the playoffs. Brooks\' inexperience cost us. That said, I\'ve come around. His smile, the one fans hate when chips are down, that\'s what\'s gonna put him over the top. If he let mistakes eat him he\'d have no shot at greatness, and probably wouldn\'t have made it this far. Well, he doesn\'t have that problem, and when that smile is accompanied by a Lombardi trophy, you\'ll agree. His talent is top five in the league. Period. Name more than four other starting QB\'s with more physical tools without lying. I dare you. (400 yds passing then 100 yds rushing = scoreboard) That sound you hear is the pieces of a championship season falling into place. You don\'t have to believe, but I promise, you\'ll see. [Edited on 14/7/2004 by kenpersons]
kenpersons Registered Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 92	It\'s not a question of whether or not the Saints will win the Super Bowl this year. It\'s a question of which Saint will be the MVP of the game. What do you mean I\'m not supposed to snort the granola?

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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro You want Brooks out, right? Who would you have start? Bouman? Kordell Stewart? Bouman is a bust Trade Brooks / Bouman and a DT to be named later for Rattay or Pennington . Go for Pennington , J.T. is solid enough and pick up a valued backup after they get to the roster limit .....
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07-14-2004, 12:53 AM	#23
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro 1. Folks that openly admit they hate Brooks: BrooksMustGo and saintz08. Hold the phone here . I am not sure about that Brooks hater title I am getting here . I would have cheered for Brooks in a Chargers uniform , when they played the Falcons. Now if Steve Young became a Saint I would spend every game cheering for both defenses .....
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07-14-2004, 09:54 AM	#24
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro I don\'t hate Brooks. I do think he is basically Jeff George though--all potential and no delivery. I\'d like for him to be the QB on my flag football team at the company picnic but he has no business as QB of professional football team.

07-14-2004, 02:09 PM	#25
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro 2. The hidden agenda folks: (you know who you are) These folks want to appear as though they are unbiased. These are the people you have to watch out for. They critique everything from completion % to wonderlic scores to touch passes, to reading defenses, to how he sounds when he\'s being interviewed. In other word: They just look for ANYTHING to complain about. But they take the stand they don\'t hate Brooks. Maybe not, but something sticks out to me as being odd. Maybe, it\'s just my imagination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Subtlety is not your strong point Billy. I wonder who you\'re referring to. And yes, you\'re right, it is your imagination. Those same people that \"critique everything\" about Brooks do NOT only focus on the negative. Some of \"those people\" have defended Brooks on this board. Some have said that he is and should be the starter. Some have said he can and should be a Pro Bowler this season. You\'re right Billy, your perception is skewed. Point is, SOME PEOPLE critique EVERYTHING about Brooks. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Others REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE MAN HAS ANY FLAWS. That goes beyond your run of the mill Brooks lover - from now on I\'m going to call \"those people\" Brooks Stalkers.
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flanders Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro Hi, I never post here, I just read alot, but I wanted to give my two cents. 1. No one is currently available to replace Brooks, and make the team improve. However...If the Saints had realized a year or two ago the chance to say trade a second round pick (and maybe Brooks) for a chance to get Eli Manning this year, that would have been ideal. I mean so what, we would have sucked, Haslett would be fired, but honestly 3 years from now everyone would be like \"The Has what?\" \"Brooks who??\". I sincerely hope the Saints don\'t lose the chance to grab another key player next year, Corey Webster, LSU. 2. No matter how you look at it, Brooks is a top 15 quarterback. You can\'t argue with that. When you are a top 15 quarterback in the National Football League, you don\'t need to toss around wonderlic scores and year after year of stats to show who\'s better than someone else. You are a talented, athletic individual, period. The bottom line is - Over the course of the last 3 seasons, Brooks (along with other members of the team) have found ways to lose gamves for the Saints (anyone remember the Bengals who were 0-100000?) Brooks has greatly improved from a rook, to a seasoned veteran, however until he consistently improves all facets of his game every Sunday, he will not be the \"leader\" that we need. 3. Brooks (unless by some super bowl type miracle) will not achieve those awesome numbers of 4000 yards, 30+ TD\'s etc. We have Deuce (9 100 yard games in a row!) and possibly Mike Karney to take some of Brooks stats. Also, when you said 5 lost fumbles or less, stating that he had 2 last season, (and obviously fumbling was a factor that caused the Saints to lose games, i.e. Bucs game) you would want something like 1 lost fumble or 0 lost fumbles, not 5 or less, that\'s not an improvement. Ok I\'m done. Anyone agree, disagree, don\'t care?? Speak up, I\'ll probably start posting here often
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07-16-2004, 02:15 AM	#28
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro Welcome aboard Flanders. I will disagree, just to get you started. (1) It is not clear to me that there isn\'t someone to replace Brooks (not that I think he should be). It is just the case that there is no PROVEN person to replace Brooks right now. However, there is always some second stringer somewhere just waiting for a chance to excel (e.g. Delhomme). (2) No one \"finds\" ways to lose games! Sometimes you have certain skills, luck, play calling that go or don\'t go your way. There was no time that any player was thinking \"oh, it would be cool if we lost this new and exciting way\". I know that you didn\'t mean this, but I\'m kind of tired of people saying things like \"Brooks will find some new way to fail\". Every guy on this team (or any NFL team for that matter) plays to win, and Brooks is no exception. Maybe he needs a little more practice here or there, but he certainly doesn\'t need to be taught to win - he (and every single other NFL player) learned that when they played at the age of 10! (3) How do you figure that Karney will take some of Brooks numbers? As of right now, the FB is only scheduled to play 1/3 of the offensive downs. Also, our FB usage is primarily as a blocker. (4) Most people on this board will tell you that Brooks numbers are irrelevant; it is only W/L that matters. Now, I\'m not one of those people, but I figured I\'d ask you what you thought about that before someone else said it in a much nastier manner.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

07-16-2004, 02:16 AM	#29
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro Gator, wtf mate?

07-16-2004, 02:18 AM	#30
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Brooks proves 'em wrong at each turn. With a little help fro kp, Did you mean could nine? What is could 4?