Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster

Jamessr · 08-25-2012, 08:51 PM

No... For one he wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed because he had a job in for the ram. Even though they didn't offer to renew his contract he had an out and could of saved face. Not to mention why wouldn't he want to leave with a 2nd super bowl win

Utah_Saint · 08-25-2012, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

That's a bit of an ignorant way to look at it...

You might be right, it wouldn't be the first time I thought something ingnorant and I'm sure it won't be the last.

I was making kind of a general statement that any team that turns the ball over 5 times doesn't deserve to win. The idea being that if you turn the ball over 5 times, you're obviously playing sloppy football or the other team is just out physicalling (let's pretend it's a word) and taking the ball away from you, either way, you don't deserve to win.

Specifically in the 49er game...

The 9ers scored 10 poionts on drives of 4 yards and 6 yards. The Saints had a 73 yard drive end on the 9er 7 yard line with 0 points to show for it. That accounts for 13 points, more likely 17 points. The difference in the game was only 4 points. That's only 3 of the turnovers, there were 2 more that had a less obvious, but certainly negative affect on the game.

If not the 5 turnovers, what do you think was the main reason the Saints lost that game?

Seer1 · 08-26-2012, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

You might be right, it wouldn't be the first time I thought something ingnorant and I'm sure it won't be the last.

I was making kind of a general statement that any team that turns the ball over 5 times doesn't deserve to win. The idea being that if you turn the ball over 5 times, you're obviously playing sloppy football or the other team is just out physicalling (let's pretend it's a word) and taking the ball away from you, either way, you don't deserve to win.

Specifically in the 49er game...

The 9ers scored 10 poionts on drives of 4 yards and 6 yards. The Saints had a 73 yard drive end on the 9er 7 yard line with 0 points to show for it. That accounts for 13 points, more likely 17 points. The difference in the game was only 4 points. That's only 3 of the turnovers, there were 2 more that had a less obvious, but certainly negative affect on the game.

If not the 5 turnovers, what do you think was the main reason the Saints lost that game?

Alex Smith singing Tiny Tim songs while skipping past eleven Saints defensive players running toward the opposite side of the field? We overcame everything in that game except some really, really bad defensive play calling.

Every time that ******* DirecTV commercial with the football players dressed in fairy costumes comes on, I want to chew on someone's cranium! All I can think of is there but for the grace of GW flits Drew Brees....

SaintsBro · 08-26-2012, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I still think Williams saw the writing on the wall and did that on purpose.

The timing on that was really freaking weird and disturbing. I mean come on. Rumors about Gregg Williams going to St. Louis all during the week before. Saturday evening, Saints lose in a sudden and spectacular defensive collapse for the ages, twice in three minutes. Sunday morning, articles on ESPN announcing Williams was hired in St. Louis, less than 12 hours after the Saturday game in SF had ended?

Rugby Saint II · 08-27-2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by GoofySaint

That's a bit of an ignorant way to look at it seeing as we were playing the number 1 defense in the league, in their homefield, and we had no defense. And we STILL almost beat them.

Joe Montanna and the 9ers turned the ball over 5 times in the infamous "the catch" game and they still won and now Joe Montanna is a hall of famer.

I don't see it as ignorant...........I see it as a different point of view. Which is one of the things that makes this such a good forum. That and we don't call people names.

08-25-2012, 08:51 PM	#11
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster No... For one he wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed because he had a job in for the ram. Even though they didn't offer to renew his contract he had an out and could of saved face. Not to mention why wouldn't he want to leave with a 2nd super bowl win

08-25-2012, 09:06 PM	#12
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster Originally Posted by GoofySaint That's a bit of an ignorant way to look at it... You might be right, it wouldn't be the first time I thought something ingnorant and I'm sure it won't be the last. I was making kind of a general statement that any team that turns the ball over 5 times doesn't deserve to win. The idea being that if you turn the ball over 5 times, you're obviously playing sloppy football or the other team is just out physicalling (let's pretend it's a word) and taking the ball away from you, either way, you don't deserve to win. Specifically in the 49er game... The 9ers scored 10 poionts on drives of 4 yards and 6 yards. The Saints had a 73 yard drive end on the 9er 7 yard line with 0 points to show for it. That accounts for 13 points, more likely 17 points. The difference in the game was only 4 points. That's only 3 of the turnovers, there were 2 more that had a less obvious, but certainly negative affect on the game. If not the 5 turnovers, what do you think was the main reason the Saints lost that game? Jamessr likes this.

08-26-2012, 12:16 AM	#13
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You might be right, it wouldn't be the first time I thought something ingnorant and I'm sure it won't be the last. I was making kind of a general statement that any team that turns the ball over 5 times doesn't deserve to win. The idea being that if you turn the ball over 5 times, you're obviously playing sloppy football or the other team is just out physicalling (let's pretend it's a word) and taking the ball away from you, either way, you don't deserve to win. Specifically in the 49er game... The 9ers scored 10 poionts on drives of 4 yards and 6 yards. The Saints had a 73 yard drive end on the 9er 7 yard line with 0 points to show for it. That accounts for 13 points, more likely 17 points. The difference in the game was only 4 points. That's only 3 of the turnovers, there were 2 more that had a less obvious, but certainly negative affect on the game. If not the 5 turnovers, what do you think was the main reason the Saints lost that game? Alex Smith singing Tiny Tim songs while skipping past eleven Saints defensive players running toward the opposite side of the field? We overcame everything in that game except some really, really bad defensive play calling. Every time that ******* DirecTV commercial with the football players dressed in fairy costumes comes on, I want to chew on someone's cranium! All I can think of is there but for the grace of GW flits Drew Brees....

08-26-2012, 02:02 AM	#14
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster Originally Posted by The Dude I still think Williams saw the writing on the wall and did that on purpose. The timing on that was really freaking weird and disturbing. I mean come on. Rumors about Gregg Williams going to St. Louis all during the week before. Saturday evening, Saints lose in a sudden and spectacular defensive collapse for the ages, twice in three minutes. Sunday morning, articles on ESPN announcing Williams was hired in St. Louis, less than 12 hours after the Saturday game in SF had ended?

08-27-2012, 03:47 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints' defensive policy shift started with departure of Gregg Williams after playoff disaster Originally Posted by GoofySaint That's a bit of an ignorant way to look at it seeing as we were playing the number 1 defense in the league, in their homefield, and we had no defense. And we STILL almost beat them. Joe Montanna and the 9ers turned the ball over 5 times in the infamous "the catch" game and they still won and now Joe Montanna is a hall of famer. I don't see it as ignorant...........I see it as a different point of view. Which is one of the things that makes this such a good forum. That and we don't call people names.

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