Saints coach should be freed, too

09-08-2012, 08:17 AM

Free Sean Payton.

Or at least be real about why he’s really being punished.

The New Orleans Saints coach was suspended for all of this season because, we were told, he failed to stop a “bounty program,” a program that allegedly paid players for injuring opponents, a program that tore at the basic contract of the game.

All of this had been swallowed as gospel until an independent arbitration panel on Friday determined that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had overstepped his bounds in his sweeping punishment of players allegedly involved in this nefariousness.

What the panel told Goodell was:

• Your dictatorship authority with sweeping punitive power only applies if this is a conduct detrimental issue, not a salary-cap issue.

• Feel free to discipline them on conduct detrimental, just know you have to have evidence of intent to injure beyond dollars on a board.

• Get back to us, if you have all of this. And proof.

With bountygate players' suspensions lifted, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton's punishment should be, too - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

SaintsBro · 09-08-2012, 08:31 AM

The tide is turning! The winds have shifted! Pick whichever metaphor you like but this article is awesome!

Euphoria · 09-08-2012, 09:21 AM

Different situation...

The suspensions are going to happen just not this week. Once Commish decides which umbrella the 'crimes' committed then it will move forward. I suspect he is going to claim detriment to the game so that his penalties stick.

ScottyRo · 09-08-2012, 11:13 AM

Love this:

"The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility."

Seer1 · 09-08-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

Love this:

"The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility."

More like a pulpit to preach the gospel of "Please don't sue us! Oh please, oh please, oh please......"

Utah_Saint · 09-08-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

Love this:

"The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility."

He needs to play it safe from this point out. If he's got evidence that he hasn't revealed, he needs to make it public, and bring down the ginger hammer again, if not, he needs to walk away from this now.

If he faces another defeat in court or in an internal appeals hearing, this whole bountygate scandal could serve as further evidence that the league does NOT, in fact, know how to police itself when it comes to matters of player safety.

That won't look good in the former player's concussions suit against the NFL.

QBREES9 · 09-08-2012, 02:32 PM

Or at least be real about why he’s really being punished.

The New Orleans Saints coach was suspended for all of this season because, we were told, he failed to stop a “bounty program,” a program that allegedly paid players for injuring opponents, a program that tore at the basic contract of the game.

All of this had been swallowed as gospel until an independent arbitration panel on Friday determined that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had overstepped his bounds in his sweeping punishment of players allegedly involved in this nefariousness.

With bountygate players' suspensions lifted, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton's punishment should be, too - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

The Dude · 09-08-2012, 03:02 PM

I would almost prefer for them to go ahead and get their suspensions over with now rather than later in the season when we are on a role. It could really mess with momentum if we have to pull them out mid season.

saintfan · 09-08-2012, 03:42 PM

This whole fiasco has already bit Roger in the ass. I believe his biggest miscalculation was Vilma. He's been getting away with being heavy-handed for so long. He never planned for the possibility that Jon would take his red ass to court.

Now the whole thing has come unraveled on Roger. His end game was to show the world how the NFL cares. All he has ultimately managed to do is to show the world how the NFL power structure is tilted so heavily (and unfairly) against the people who make the game what it is - and that's the players.

Roger's agenda is over. Anything he tries to do from here on out is purely an effort to save face. He can no longer accomplish the guise on the Fans and on America he was so interested in.

You're done Roger. No matter where it goes from here. Do the right thing for the players, for the league, and for that matter for you. Just drop it. Recognize you're power has been effectively limited. Deal with that and move on.

Vrillon82 · 09-08-2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

He needs to play it safe from this point out. If he's got evidence that he hasn't revealed, he needs to make it public, and bring down the ginger hammer again, if not, he needs to walk away from this now.

If he faces another defeat in court or in an internal appeals hearing, this whole bountygate scandal could serve as further evidence that the league does NOT, in fact, know how to police itself when it comes to matters of player safety.

That won't look good in the former player's concussions suit against the NFL.

I think by having the replacement officials has already proven they are not too much for safety.

09-08-2012, 08:17 AM	#1
Threaded by WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046 Rating: (0 votes - average) Free Sean Payton. Or at least be real about why he’s really being punished. The New Orleans Saints coach was suspended for all of this season because, we were told, he failed to stop a “bounty program,” a program that allegedly paid players for injuring opponents, a program that tore at the basic contract of the game. All of this had been swallowed as gospel until an independent arbitration panel on Friday determined that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell had overstepped his bounds in his sweeping punishment of players allegedly involved in this nefariousness. What the panel told Goodell was: • Your dictatorship authority with sweeping punitive power only applies if this is a conduct detrimental issue, not a salary-cap issue. • Feel free to discipline them on conduct detrimental, just know you have to have evidence of intent to injure beyond dollars on a board. • Get back to us, if you have all of this. And proof. With bountygate players' suspensions lifted, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton's punishment should be, too - NFL News \| FOX Sports on MSN Last edited by papz; 09-08-2012 at 04:55 PM..
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09-08-2012, 08:31 AM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too The tide is turning! The winds have shifted! Pick whichever metaphor you like but this article is awesome!

09-08-2012, 09:21 AM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too Different situation... The suspensions are going to happen just not this week. Once Commish decides which umbrella the 'crimes' committed then it will move forward. I suspect he is going to claim detriment to the game so that his penalties stick.

09-08-2012, 11:13 AM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too Love this: "The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility."

09-08-2012, 11:34 AM	#5
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too Originally Posted by ScottyRo Love this: "The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility." More like a pulpit to preach the gospel of "Please don't sue us! Oh please, oh please, oh please......"

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09-08-2012, 01:00 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too Originally Posted by ScottyRo Love this: "The problem was, the facts were always fuzzy, the evidence never fully revealed. And it all felt a little too convenient. In an offseason where all anybody seemed to be talking about was player health and brain injuries, Bountygate gave Goodell a bully pulpit from which to preach the gospel of personal responsibility." He needs to play it safe from this point out. If he's got evidence that he hasn't revealed, he needs to make it public, and bring down the ginger hammer again, if not, he needs to walk away from this now. If he faces another defeat in court or in an internal appeals hearing, this whole bountygate scandal could serve as further evidence that the league does NOT, in fact, know how to police itself when it comes to matters of player safety. That won't look good in the former player's concussions suit against the NFL.

09-08-2012, 02:32 PM	#7
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09-08-2012, 03:02 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too I would almost prefer for them to go ahead and get their suspensions over with now rather than later in the season when we are on a role. It could really mess with momentum if we have to pull them out mid season.
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09-08-2012, 03:42 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too This whole fiasco has already bit Roger in the ass. I believe his biggest miscalculation was Vilma. He's been getting away with being heavy-handed for so long. He never planned for the possibility that Jon would take his red ass to court. Now the whole thing has come unraveled on Roger. His end game was to show the world how the NFL cares. All he has ultimately managed to do is to show the world how the NFL power structure is tilted so heavily (and unfairly) against the people who make the game what it is - and that's the players. Roger's agenda is over. Anything he tries to do from here on out is purely an effort to save face. He can no longer accomplish the guise on the Fans and on America he was so interested in. You're done Roger. No matter where it goes from here. Do the right thing for the players, for the league, and for that matter for you. Just drop it. Recognize you're power has been effectively limited. Deal with that and move on. Beastmode likes this.
	C'mon Man...

09-08-2012, 03:54 PM	#10
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Saints coach should be freed, too Originally Posted by Utah_Saint He needs to play it safe from this point out. If he's got evidence that he hasn't revealed, he needs to make it public, and bring down the ginger hammer again, if not, he needs to walk away from this now. If he faces another defeat in court or in an internal appeals hearing, this whole bountygate scandal could serve as further evidence that the league does NOT, in fact, know how to police itself when it comes to matters of player safety. That won't look good in the former player's concussions suit against the NFL. I think by having the replacement officials has already proven they are not too much for safety.
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127