Run the damn ball

SaintsBro · 09-10-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You do realize that Pete called the plays most of last year right? And that we averaged an ungodly amount of yards per game, led the league I believe...

Yeah I know all that, bro. But even a really good thing can become predictable. Last year is last year; now there is plenty of film of Pete Carmichael calling the plays for the Saints from last year, for people to study and look for tendencies and figure out what he likes to do and get a feel for his playcalling and stuff. Last year, when the Saints O were doing so great, on that big tear, other teams DIDN'T have that film to look at, and say THIS IS PETE CARMICHAEL CALLING THE PLAYS, what does he like to do in certain situations? Nobody had a clue what was coming at them; but now I think they maybe kinda do, or can sniff it out a bit better.

I have been watching ever since he started taking over the playcalling, my friend, and it's getting to where I can almost sorta see certain plays coming from a mile away, on certain downs and distances and situations. Not ALL the time, just sometimes. That's what I'm saying.

Last year was great -- but did the offense lead the league in anything yesterday, or during this preseason? Have they really lit it up? Not really. One explanation is that defenses may be adjusting to Carmichael now that they can study and dissect him, which before they couldn't.

|Mitch| · 09-10-2012, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Last year was great -- but did the offense lead the league in anything yesterday, or during this preseason? Have they really lit it up? Not really. One explanation is that defenses may be adjusting to Carmichael now that they can study and dissect him, which before they couldn't.

How do you explain the second half? We did put up 32 points with a chance for 8 more in the end?

Without the penalties and drops the offense would have been rolling like always...

SaintsBro · 09-10-2012, 09:31 PM

You're probably right. It's probably not as bad as I'm making it sound. Our offense was rolling in the second half. They looked great -- whenever Washington was up by two scores.

QBREES9 · 09-10-2012, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wouldn't mind if we caught the damn ball either.

It's a passing league. Really need to catch the ball and hang on to it.

mutineer10 · 09-11-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Run....left, Run .... up the middle, Run.... right, I agree totally run the damn ball

I think I just woke up in Bryant-Denny Stadium!

Shoe. · 09-11-2012, 12:19 PM

I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind.

My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles).

We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something

dizzle88 · 09-11-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind.

My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles).

We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something

Whilst we did have to throw the ball because we were behind, your exactly right

Throwing the ball constantly is what put us in a bad position (along with the penalties) and Pete tends to turn crazy when the passes don't work so he passes some more

Our offense runs the ball to help the pass, that's the way it is, this formula was found in 2009 when mike bell and PT combined for 150 yards every game and we went on a 13 game win streak, Pete needs to take a step back and let PT do his thing

frankeefrank · 09-11-2012, 04:45 PM

"All man," Haslett said. "All man. We didn't want him having easy areas to throw to.
You run vs. man.
4 WR spread them out and run.

Danno · 09-11-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Shoe.

I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind.

My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles).

We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something

Agreed. How about a freaking draw play? Running for 10 yards and a 1st down is more effective than an incomplete pass or interception. Trust me, I did the math.

D_it_up · 09-11-2012, 05:18 PM

Five RB's. Ten carries. Only two of them touched the ball on run plays. I don't care how many penalties there were or how far we were down. That is absolutely ridiculous. If you have that many weapons at your disposal, USE THEM!

09-10-2012, 09:13 PM	#21
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You do realize that Pete called the plays most of last year right? And that we averaged an ungodly amount of yards per game, led the league I believe... Yeah I know all that, bro. But even a really good thing can become predictable. Last year is last year; now there is plenty of film of Pete Carmichael calling the plays for the Saints from last year, for people to study and look for tendencies and figure out what he likes to do and get a feel for his playcalling and stuff. Last year, when the Saints O were doing so great, on that big tear, other teams DIDN'T have that film to look at, and say THIS IS PETE CARMICHAEL CALLING THE PLAYS, what does he like to do in certain situations? Nobody had a clue what was coming at them; but now I think they maybe kinda do, or can sniff it out a bit better. I have been watching ever since he started taking over the playcalling, my friend, and it's getting to where I can almost sorta see certain plays coming from a mile away, on certain downs and distances and situations. Not ALL the time, just sometimes. That's what I'm saying. Last year was great -- but did the offense lead the league in anything yesterday, or during this preseason? Have they really lit it up? Not really. One explanation is that defenses may be adjusting to Carmichael now that they can study and dissect him, which before they couldn't.

09-10-2012, 09:19 PM	#22
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by SaintsBro Last year was great -- but did the offense lead the league in anything yesterday, or during this preseason? Have they really lit it up? Not really. One explanation is that defenses may be adjusting to Carmichael now that they can study and dissect him, which before they couldn't. How do you explain the second half? We did put up 32 points with a chance for 8 more in the end? Without the penalties and drops the offense would have been rolling like always... Beastmode likes this.

09-10-2012, 09:31 PM	#23
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Run the damn ball You're probably right. It's probably not as bad as I'm making it sound. Our offense was rolling in the second half. They looked great -- whenever Washington was up by two scores.

09-10-2012, 09:51 PM	#24
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by Danno Wouldn't mind if we caught the damn ball either. It's a passing league. Really need to catch the ball and hang on to it.

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mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by Ashley Run....left, Run .... up the middle, Run.... right, I agree totally run the damn ball I think I just woke up in Bryant-Denny Stadium!

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Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Run the damn ball I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind. My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles). We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something Danno and dizzle88 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by Shoe. I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind. My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles). We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something Whilst we did have to throw the ball because we were behind, your exactly right Throwing the ball constantly is what put us in a bad position (along with the penalties) and Pete tends to turn crazy when the passes don't work so he passes some more Our offense runs the ball to help the pass, that's the way it is, this formula was found in 2009 when mike bell and PT combined for 150 yards every game and we went on a 13 game win streak, Pete needs to take a step back and let PT do his thing
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09-11-2012, 04:45 PM	#28
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Run the damn ball "All man," Haslett said. "All man. We didn't want him having easy areas to throw to. You run vs. man. 4 WR spread them out and run.
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09-11-2012, 04:59 PM	#29
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Run the damn ball Originally Posted by Shoe. I said something about running the ball in another thread and it was replied that we had to throw because we were behind. My beef is why we weren't running the ball in the opening series (3 and out, three straight passes) or on the goal line (FOUR straight passes, eventually completing to Sproles). We have good running backs and I just don't get why Carmichael didn't want to use them. PT looked good, Ingram was never really given a chance (two or three carries I think), and if you're gonna activate Cadet over Ivory, put him in the freakin' game and give him a chance to do something Agreed. How about a freaking draw play? Running for 10 yards and a 1st down is more effective than an incomplete pass or interception. Trust me, I did the math.

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D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Run the damn ball Five RB's. Ten carries. Only two of them touched the ball on run plays. I don't care how many penalties there were or how far we were down. That is absolutely ridiculous. If you have that many weapons at your disposal, USE THEM!

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