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Ashley 09-16-2012 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 439256)
Ellis is awful...not physical. Not impressed with Bunkley, either. Hicks, however, MOVED people and he's gonna surpass Ellis and Bunkley by the end of the year. Will Smith just should have taken the 4 games off, 'cause he's already taken 2 games off so far. But I do love Cameron Jordan and Gillette.

I am impressed with our running game today. And Hartley knocking down a +50 yarder. Our special teams were pretty good today from what I could tell.

Some good, but more bad today and last week. We can't pressure a QB for jack-piss, but WAS and CAR sure can pressure ours. We're losing on the line of scrimmage on both sides. If this don't change, I see a bad moon arisin'.
Barry you are right both lines are not getting it done. pressure up the middle and the outside in drew's face both games.
The d, I'm not saying anymore about them today. They are just bad.

frankeefrank 09-16-2012 05:25 PM
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Can Roby play Safety?

Danno 09-16-2012 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by frankeefrank (Post 439269)
Can Roby play Safety?
Why would you want that? Our safeties are the least of our worries on defense.

frankeefrank 09-16-2012 05:30 PM
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459 yards given up week 1
463 week two... Least of our worries?

The Dude 09-16-2012 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 439096)
ok I'm done on my venting, how do we improve this? How can you fix a D that is so bad?
Get Greg Williams reinstated.

Ashley 09-16-2012 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 439280)
Get Greg Williams reinstated.
Dude you are determined to get me to choke on something

Danno 09-16-2012 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by frankeefrank (Post 439276)
459 yards given up week 1
463 week two... Least of our worries?
And you think thats' on our freaking safeties? Wow!

CharityMike 09-16-2012 05:44 PM
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If this season ends up being a bust..we need a stud on the line. Someone other teams have to game plan for. Where has Smith been? He just as well be suspended because he ain't doing sh!t! As long as he is here, we will never know what Tez could do. Did he even play today other than ST?

TheOak 09-16-2012 05:44 PM
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Speaking of Roby... Was I hallucinating or did he have a catch?

He has good hands!

GoofySaint 09-16-2012 05:51 PM
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This maybe a frustrating season.

I feel like a giants fan.

"SUPER BOWL CHAMPION GIANTS"


*next season*

"THREE INT AGAINST THE BUCS ARE YOU KIDDING ELI?"

I feel like one day ,somehow, I have no idea how,

the giants will win the super bowl with a record of 2-14.

blackangold 09-16-2012 07:09 PM
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The 0-2 start honestly does not concern me all that much... really. We can come back from it if we play real Saints ball.

What truly concerns me is what I see when looking at the players on the field and how we are playing regardless of the score. It's not like these are close losses. They are blow-outs and the passion I see from the players is worse than the passion I see from the coaches. So, regardless of our record, and just using what I see from our players on the field we have no chance this season unless we get some passion out of our guys.

SaintsBro 09-16-2012 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 439357)
The 0-2 start honestly does not concern me all that much... really. We can come back from it if we play real Saints ball.

What truly concerns me is what I see when looking at the players on the field and how we are playing regardless of the score. It's not like these are close losses. They are blow-outs and the passion I see from the players is worse than the passion I see from the coaches. So, regardless of our record, and just using what I see from our players on the field we have no chance this season unless we get some passion out of our guys.
I like what you are saying. I know I am sounding like a broken record tonight, but Joe Vitt = passion. He is literally the guy that Payton sends to yell at people for him. Players fear him, respect him, and listen when he talks. He is a piece we are missing along with Payton right now. I think when he comes back the team will look a lot more Payton-like, meaner, tougher, smarter, fewer mistakes, all that type of stuff.

saintfan 09-16-2012 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 439368)
I like what you are saying. I know I am sounding like a broken record tonight, but Joe Vitt = passion. He is literally the guy that Payton sends to yell at people for him. Players fear him, respect him, and listen when he talks. He is a piece we are missing along with Payton right now. I think when he comes back the team will look a lot more Payton-like, meaner, tougher, smarter, fewer mistakes, all that type of stuff.
It may be too late by then...

westbankdaze 09-16-2012 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 439255)
You get your linebackers coach/assistant coach back in week 7 who has 30+ years experience in defensive coaching, and he goes ballistic yelling and screaming in the first meeting and tears everyone on the team a new one, puts the fear of God in them, and busts out the X's and O's and makes Spags explain what the hell he has been doing the past six weeks. No seriously. We are two coaches short of every other team in the league right now. Think about that. The defense IS going to get better when Vitt comes back, and the offense will get better when Kromer can go back to focusing on coaching the O-line, like he's supposed to.
May be too late by then.

DrewDat 09-16-2012 09:12 PM
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Our D Always Takes A Turn...For Example Our D Line Is Weak But Our Secondary Is Great....(Sharper,Porter, Greer) And Now Its The Opposite...Our Front Four Are Okay But Its Our Secondary That Is Absolutely Horrible...We Need A Better Nickel DB...And I Honestly Think We're Still Ok...We Just Need A Couple Of Wins Before Joe Vitt Gets Back...He Actually Knows How To Yell At People...A Firm Coach Is All We Need Right Now

QBREES9 09-16-2012 10:52 PM
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Its not over till we say it's over. was it over when the germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Germans ?

|Mitch| 09-16-2012 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 439519)
Its not over till we say it's over. was it over when the germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Germans ?
When the hell did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?! :bugeyes:

burningmetal 09-17-2012 01:51 AM
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There's so much I'm tempted to say, but it would just be redundant because it was almost exactly the same as last week in every way. The only difference is we ran the ball better this week. Trouble is we had to abandon it, thanks to our "defense". The three key additions (or at least I thought they would be key) on D appear to have made no difference, thus far.

lee909 09-17-2012 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mikemike (Post 439544)
"blow outs"?
We lost each game by 8 points.
That's a "blow out"?
They are not blow outs but the games have not really been as close as the scores suggest either.
Both games have been 15pts leads cut with under 2mins left.
While the Defense continues to part like the red sea on every drive its going to be a long season.

Jamessr 09-17-2012 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mikemike (Post 439544)
"blow outs"?
We lost each game by 8 points.
That's a "blow out"?
Don't kid yourself... Both games we were outplayed on many levels. Although minor plays could have affected the outcome in both games, I still feel washington and Carolina controlled both games.

skymike 09-17-2012 07:02 AM
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how do you not figure cam newton is going to RUN? if its goal to go. HE'S RUNNING. dont even bother with those receivers. COVER THE RUN. hes not a quarterback. he's a runner.

SaintsBro 09-17-2012 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 439588)
how do you not figure cam newton is going to RUN? if its goal to go. HE'S RUNNING. dont even bother with those receivers. COVER THE RUN. hes not a quarterback. he's a runner.
It feels to me like they maybe OVER estimated RGIII as a runner and then UNDER estimated Cam as a runner. Just a thought. You're right, there's no way Cam should be able to run in untouched for a goal line TD that the WHOLE WORLD knows is coming.

TheOak 09-17-2012 07:15 AM
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This is where I giggle my self to death...

Stat haters using stats to justify how badly we are.


Lets not group our Offense with our Defense.

Presently I think our Offense and Defense should take separate buses.

The Offense is good.
The Defense has glimmers of Good but just needs to buy into Spags and pull it together.

SaintnDE 09-17-2012 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 439599)
This is where I giggle my self to death...

Stat haters using stats to justify how badly we are.


Lets not group our Offense with our Defense.

Presently I think our Offense and Defense should take separate buses.

The Offense is good.
The Defense has glimmers of Good but just needs to buy into Spags and pull it together.
I'm hoping the D ques in like they did for Sprag in New York. A little more time, hopefully. Looks like a swiss cheese wheel right now.

Budsdrinker 09-17-2012 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 439519)
Its not over till we say it's over. was it over when the germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Germans ?
Let's Do ITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CharityMike 09-17-2012 08:52 AM
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I think our struggle with RG and Cam is because they run a college option attack. Instead of playing zone we should have been playing man. Would the outcome have been better? Who knows...I think the lack of halftime adjustments is killing us.

The offense stayed the course mostly. If anything, they should have started the hurry up offense way sooner than waiting until 4 min left.
The defense stays the course from start to finish, no matter how bad we are doing. I just don't see any adjustments to try and stop the other team. If zone d is not working through the first half guess what, it won't work in the second half either. Maybe I am off base but I just don't think we are making any adjustments on the D side of the ball when they are clearly struggling.

blackangold 09-17-2012 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikemike (Post 439544)
"blow outs"?
We lost each game by 8 points.
That's a "blow out"?
we only lost by 8 because we scored late in the 4th in both games. 35-20 mid way through the 4th quarter is the biggest blow-out the Saints have seen in the last 6 years.

xan 09-17-2012 04:08 PM
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At this point, I'd take blow out. I was discouraged before the end of the 1st quarter in both games.

Not since the g(l)ory years of the 60's, 70's, 80's and 2000's have I felt this disparing. Talent galore, but inept beyond prediction.

skymike 09-17-2012 05:54 PM
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Old Guys. Was the '80 team this talented?


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