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1 game in how many years, so did that game save his job (NO) why because he sucks
You say he was the head coach not the D coord at the rams so he's not responsible for the DEfense, but we often refer to Payton as head coach and off coord. Bottom line the guy sucks unless you give him all pro players to work with and the Saints definitely don't have but maybe 1

If you haven't realize this yet, it's what have you'd one for me lately not 5 years ago. That's just life

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I don't believe it is completely coaching...it's personnel..

1) Will Smith - Why the **** is he even still on the team
2) Sedrick Ellis - never turned out to be crap
3) Scott Shanle - Why the **** is he even still on the team
4)Corey White - The new Jason David
5)Roman HArper - slow, and only good for an extra man in the box. Terrible in coverage
6) Malcolm Jenkins - garbage safety. Maybe he would have been alright if we kept him at corner
7)Vilma - a has been that is only distracting the entire team right now with his bounty bull****

Our defense sucks. That should be the focal point next year. We need headhunters out that. People that can tackle and have good football IQ. Even though this is a offensive league right now, defense still wins games. Case in point : San Fran.

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I agree with you 100 %, but at some point you have to adjust to your personnel and IMO this guy can't. We may not have given Greg Williams enough credit for what he did with the same players albeit not great but decent.

You think LSU would let us use their defense on Sundays?

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So I ask you Joker, Could you do better as DC?! :rolleyes:

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I Would Agree If Ed Reed Lost A Lot Of One On One Battles With Receivers....Whenever A Pass Is Thrown And Ed Reed Is There I Think "Thats Picked Off"....Whenever Its Between Harper And A Receiver I Yell Out Loud "Please No Pass Interference!!!"....

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Probably not but I never claimed to be a defensive coordinator, Spud applied and got the job so who do you think is to be held accountable to what we saw today and last week.

Oh I know let's blame Mr. Goodhell, it's easy

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geez; It's been two games! Let them get comfortable and learn all the nuances of the defense... There's an old saying " Rome wasn't built in a day". Same with a new defense, you're not gonna make a top 10 D in a couple of games...

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LOL!!!!! Corey White Is Very Comparable To Jason David!!!

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We dont need a top 10 defense. We need an average defense that can hold teams to 20 points or less. The offense can still score even with issues they're having. Just goes to show how bad the defense is.

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At this point I would settle for a top 25, I would love this to turn around and get better in the next few weeks but I don't see it happening. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but the following has to get better

1 Pass Rush
2 linebacker play
3 coverage by corners & safeties

Basically the whole defense

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Like I said 2 games is not enough time to say the defense will not improve...

And with that said I'm done with this thread

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I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better

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We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow.

If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play.

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Agreed, and no scheme is going to change that. I think we're in for a long year

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Even Teams With Fat And Slow Lineman Still Have Descent DBs...Lets Be Honest...When Has Harper Ever Mattered Other Than That ONE Year G.W. Had Him On The Blitz Every Other Play???

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Look, I'm trying to conceive of the fastest way we can rebuild our defense to suit Spags defensive style. If we acquire 2 vet d-linemen this offseason we would have improved this team overall by a lot. Just look at the Giants, Spags defensive scheme depends on 4 strong down linemen, period.

If we went out and blew our wad on DB's... heck if we had Charles Woodsen and Dion Sanders in their prime back there, we would not improve this D as much.

Right now our DB's are stopping runs AND covering passes all over the field which means we're not stopping offenses at the at the line of scrimmage, nor are we getting penetration on opposing QB's. This problem goes back to BEFORE Gregg Williams with similar personnel. Just watch the game on tv tonight, the 49ers' DB's are NOT involved on every single play like the Saints. That's because they attack at the line of scrimmage.

We do need to beef up the DB's, but first things first - acquire some d-linemen that can effectively attack the line of scrimmage.

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We may already have a couple of the personnel you are referring to but since we have over paid under achievers on the line, we will never really know.

Re: We need DEFENSE - it is that simple
 

I only saw the game on Red Zone...can you tell me what you mean by this?

I mean, the pick 6 Drew threw at the 10 or whatever is obvious but how else did the offense give away 14 points?

Thanks!

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Halo that's fine for next year but I'm wanting to see them do something this year. As Jerry jones said the window of oppurtunuity is closing. I certainly don't have the answer but that's why they pay Spuds.

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1.I Partially Agree....San Francisco Has Arguably The Best Linebacking Corps In Football So It Doesnt Just Stop At The D Line
2.If You Notice We Always Try To Find The Next Big Thing At The D Lineman Postition Every Year...But We Never Look For A Safety...Yea You See Our DB's Making Tackles And Its Because They Arent Stopping The Passes Made On Them....
3. At A Fix Things Now Standpoint I Think We Need To Put Vilma On IR And Look For A Vet At LB and Or DL To Become A Leader Of This Defense While Its Still Early

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We should trade our first round picks for proven, established players...

Because it's become painfully obvious that we can't draft anything but offensive lineman...

What I want to know is - if it's not working with an old, slow Will Smith and a bust with Sedrick Ellis, then why aren't we giving some of the younger, faster players a start?

Where is Martez Wilson? Where is Akiem Hicks? If we're gonna suck it, let's starting building with younger, less expensive options so we can accelerate the building of this new defense?!?

And I'd like to see rotational play at the safety position as we can't keep oxygen on the field for Roman Harper or Reading Defenses for Dummies for Mr. BowTie-wearing G.Q. Wantanabe...

Re: We need DEFENSE - it is that simple
 

Drew threw a pick 6 and jimmy graham and lance more dropped passes on consecutive plays that we're for sure were going to be touchdowns.

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Joker, I mean I think the move to Spags came because the organization was convinced we weren't going to make it back to the Superbowl with the Gregg Williams plan. You really need to remember back over the past 2 seasons, especially the past 2 playoff losses. No way this team would make it back with that D that depended on turnovers as a driving force - a risky scheme at best.

It's apparent to me this team is rebuilding its defense. As of today's game, our Defense is only slightly worse than last's season Gregg Williams' version. I think our front office can have the defense mostly improved by next season, but it's rare a new coordinator comes in with current personnel and the squad makes a total 180, especially on defense.

For this season, our o-line run blocks well, the pass not so much. The offense needs to concentrate on more ball control because we have the horses and the line. Otherwise Drew does not have time to throw. That's how we can make a run this season. I saw us run/screen on Carolina at will. Grind the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field. Our defense is NOT our strong suit.

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I Agree...We Should Be A Run/Pass Offense This Year Until SP Comes Back...

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Think we can trade mark Ingram for a handfull of decent defensive linemen?

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The way that defense looks it may take more than a year

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It's like I said earlier. They are not going to sit the guy's they have all the money invested in no matter HOW bad they play. We are stuck with these mediocre under achieving lolipops at least till the end of the year.

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News flash for the folks that think we can just go out and get top rated defensive players right now...ummm helloo..if whats available was so good, they would not be available!

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True But Some Players Want To Leave Anyway And Some Teams Can Benefit To Trade Them For Something Before They Let Them Leave As A Free Agent For Nothing....If We Were Smart We Should Have Traded Porter Instead Of Letting Him Leave For Free

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Does anyone know how,much it would cost to cut Will Smith and Sedric Ellis next year

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I'd like to say it all begins with QB pressure up front, but we can't stop the run, either! I don't think any of us expected the new Dome Patrol this season, but right now I'd settle for a little encouraging progress. I saw nothing today to make me the least optimistic.

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I sure did not think we would regress. Hell we upgraded our weakest position. I would give my left testicle for these guys to turn it around.

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This is Sed's last year in his contract. So this is a contract year for him and he has shown squat. Well actually...I guess he has shown something..he SUCKS!!

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This was the first game i didn't drink.

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Hard to believe that our D has actually become worse than when we has GW, even after upgrading the LB position

Couple that together, with shoddy protection, drew throwing picks like he's colourblind and there's your 0-2

I was actually very excited about our D, now I can't wait to see half of them get cut, even spags if this carries on

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The only minor good thing about todays game is that we managed to put up 486 on the Panthers. The Panther defence leaked a lot of yards as well as ours! Just a thought!

While we are getting big offensive yards I think the stat is misleading.
400+yards sounds great but when every drive needs to be 80yards + we have to rack up yards.
Just scoring on one drive per quarter gets us 300+yards.
The D needs to at worst hold teams to a couple of fields goals during the game if it can't get teams going three and out.
It's not like they need to keep teams under 17pts,anything under 27ppg and Drew will bail them out most games.

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plus a LOT of those yards are coming when the Saints are behind by two scores. Very misleading statistic to confuse playing desperation "catchup" ball with having a controlling dominant offense like the Saints usually have. I"d even say about a third or more of the Saints points this year have come when the game is all but over, just playing catchup at the end, with not enough time to really pull it off. Two desperation drives at the end of a game can easily rack up 120 extra yards or more of offense with no real meaning on the outcome. because the other team is only guarding the end zone and the sidelines.

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the panthers followed the same plan washington did to this de. we were suckers to them selling us handoffs and the 2 running qbs made fools of our deline and de-backs. the buck stops here hopefully. and we can show better de. with conventional qb.

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If we lose against KC, I'm cutting some holes in a paper bag. :)