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GoofySaint 09-18-2012 05:02 PM

Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text).
 
HOF game against cardinals. We INT Kolb and get him hurt and shut out the cardinals O.
Pats game in the preseason. Remember this? Remember when the D shut out the pats O and forced fumbled Brady?
Jags game. A few D players get hurt and aren't 100% so the D isn't the same.
What 2 things do the pats and cards games have in common?

1.The D was incredible in both games.

2. Vitt was coaching

Then what happens in the texans and titans game? Aaron Kromer is made head coach and suddenly the D sucks and needs the O to carry it once again.
I don't know what Kromer is doing but he has zero chemistry with spags. Vitt does.
The O isn't the problem. The stats say Brees threw 4 INT but look at the actual plays.

The redskins INT at the end was a hail mary thrown at the end. Every QB would have done it.

And the panthers INT? 30 seconds left, no timeouts, and you're on the 30 yard line. Drew should have never been in this position to be forced to well...... FORCE the ball and end up with an INT in the first place.

I get that he threw a pick 6. But the fact that all of this turmoil is going on and the offense is statistically THE SAME as it was last year is remarkable. We should being blown out when you look at how the D does. Brees makes up for his INT, he did last year, but he can't this year if the D CAN'T STOP A SNAIL.

The D is the problem. Whenever Brees throws an INT, he fixes it. He did it all the time last year. He threw 2 INT against the 9ers and we STILL HAD A LEAD. Guess who ruined that game? The D.

We're 0-2 now. We have the chiefs, then the packers away, then the chargers.

We can beat the chiefs and chargers. If we just hold to 2-3 when Vitt, WE CAN WIN! 3-3 would be even better. BUT NO MORE UPSETS.

People will say "oh spags defense only worked for the giants cause they had HOF".
Go watch the pats game. That's not the giants fumbling Brady. That's us.
Imagine Brees with his consistent 300 + games with the defense shutting them out.
We just need Vitt. He's the person that makes spags system work and he clearly knows Brees better than Kromer does(which could allow him to throw less INT and kromer can go back to being a position coach so that the running game and 0 line will be great again).

This Team will rise again.

RaginCajun83 09-18-2012 05:04 PM

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That wasn't that long, agree on most of your points though

frankeefrank 09-18-2012 05:14 PM

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I was in the minority during the preseason as someone who thought the D was terrible.
The guys couldn't tackle against the Cardinals, couldn't stop the run.
Against New England, it was the Pats season opener and Brady played 2 series.
But you want to focus on one play.
Ok

I still disagree with this:
"We can beat the chiefs and chargers. If we just hold to 2-3 when Vitt, WE CAN WIN! 3-3 would be even better. BUT NO MORE UPSETS"

So, the defense still won't be good enough for Green Bay huh? Reality check brother, if you don't think we can beat Green Bay, what makes you think we can beat San Diego?

dizzle88 09-18-2012 05:16 PM

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Our offense showed signs of coming back last week, besides the pick 6 we were pretty much perfect, run game was hurting panthers D

I'd still like to think that our D is better against pocket passers, that's why it shut Brady down just like 2007 giants but I need to be convinced

It may work better against pocket passers, but we keep blowing coverages on normal pass plays, Steve smith had 20 yards without a defender anywhere near him

I hope our D makes a statement in the chiefs game and give the ball to PT, sproles and Ingram!!

PT is a beast and I can't believe sproles hasn't had a rushing attempt yet!!!
Ingram got a rhythm going last week and had a couple good runs

Don't underestimate the chiefs, they will come out and try and hit us in our mouths

We need to take control early and not let up!

AllSaints 09-18-2012 05:33 PM

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Chiefs game could be bad.... They have some weapons on Offense and sum studs on the D... Im hoping somehow someway we can get this win...

jegirouard 09-18-2012 05:40 PM

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The defense was awful in those first two games and this is saddening because I was optimistic about spags (and still am), but I've been used to awful defense for about 5 years now...

My biggest concerns are with the offense and drew brees, I know the stats are there, but I feel like our offense does not have the same flow and swagger that it had in years past. A drive where every play call sets up the next perfectly, every player executes like they've practiced all week. I know the pass protection has been a joke, but I remember drew beating pass rush with quick decision making and pin point accuracy to slow it down. I've always said the reason our sacks allowed are always so low is mainly because of drew brees. The recievers have to help him out also, way too many drops, Colston has been off, I don't know if he needs Peyton's stare to motivate him, but he looks older than randy moss out there. I kind of feel like I can go on but it's starting to depress me...

I blame all of these offensive woes on Goodell of course and have complete faith that drew and the boys will right this ship.

P.S. jimmy graham and Darren sproles have been beasts, I like the look in their eyes.

Boutte 09-18-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jegirouard (Post 440409)
The defense was awful in those first two games and this is saddening because I was optimistic about spags (and still am), but I've been used to awful defense for about 5 years now...

My biggest concerns are with the offense and drew brees, I know the stats are there, but I feel like our offense does not have the same flow and swagger that it had in years past. A drive where every play call sets up the next perfectly, every player executes like they've practiced all week. I know the pass protection has been a joke, but I remember drew beating pass rush with quick decision making and pin point accuracy to slow it down. I've always said the reason our sacks allowed are always so low is mainly because of drew brees. The recievers have to help him out also, way too many drops, Colston has been off, I don't know if he needs Peyton's stare to motivate him, but he looks older than randy moss out there. I kind of feel like I can go on but it's starting to depress me...

I blame all of these offensive woes on Goodell of course and have complete faith that drew and the boys will right this ship.

P.S. jimmy graham and Darren sproles have been beasts, I like the look in their eyes.

The dropped passes are killing us. Colston's fumble in the Skins game was cost us too. As bad as we've looked we're two or three plays away from being 2-0.

and I agree, Graham and Sproles have been money. PThomas, as always, is a hero. He's become one of all time favorite players.

jegirouard 09-18-2012 06:10 PM

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Remember: Our offense has always been the reason teams have to change their game plan against us... We won 13 games last year in spite of our defense.

spkb25 09-18-2012 06:47 PM

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Preseason doesn't matter. Plain and simple.

CharityMike 09-18-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 440452)
Preseason doesn't matter. Plain and simple.

In reality, in really don't. I use to think that 1's against 1's should show something but it does not. The only real value of the preseason is to see what some new faces look like. Really is just a waste of time and money.

4thqtrsaint 09-19-2012 12:16 AM

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I actually agree with a few points you made, BUT...

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but the Oline is hurting us. In Triplett's Film Review on NOLA.com, he claims the Oline had a near great game. Now, I'm no coach by any means, and I don't remember the exact stat line, but I think 1 sack, 5 hurries, 9 pressures... And that was in the early 4th qtr... What I remember most from Games 1 & 2 is Brees is either running out of the pocket, getting balls batted, guys in his grille & for the most part, very little time to throw. They may no be falling apart, but they haven't played great by any means.

I do expect more conventional offenses to have more problem with our D. Couple that with the fact that they will learn more & gel better as they go, I haven't panicked yet.

The WRs dropping passes has to stop. The weak penalties like false starts has to stop. But those are fixable problems.

We've laid a couple of eggs. Its time to make some breakfast. :)

Cory9289 09-19-2012 12:44 AM

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Yeah, the O-line is a problem. Usually when our D sucks we can just score 40+ points and wipe the sweat off our brows. But now we're repeatedly getting 3 and outs and Drew is being popped every other play.

GoofySaint 09-19-2012 06:14 AM

Re: Spags system will work but not yet(Warning lot of text).
 
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Originally Posted by frankeefrank (Post 440385)
I was in the minority during the preseason as someone who thought the D was terrible.
The guys couldn't tackle against the Cardinals, couldn't stop the run.
Against New England, it was the Pats season opener and Brady played 2 series.
But you want to focus on one play.
Ok

I still disagree with this:
"We can beat the chiefs and chargers. If we just hold to 2-3 when Vitt, WE CAN WIN! 3-3 would be even better. BUT NO MORE UPSETS"

So, the defense still won't be good enough for Green Bay huh? Reality check brother, if you don't think we can beat Green Bay, what makes you think we can beat San Diego?

Did you see the same game I saw? Cause the pats were only able to score ONCE the whole game.

And yet for those 2 series, he was forced fumbled.

15-1 packer last year

8-8 chargers that got beat by tebow.

You make no sense. The chargers are in no way the same team as the packers.

TheOak 09-19-2012 06:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 440452)
Preseason doesn't matter. Plain and simple.

Preseason does not "count".

It does "matter".

TheOak 09-19-2012 06:54 AM

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Goofy you finally made an empirical post. I agree.

Thanks for leaving the word "Dynasty" out.

We will be fine.

Budsdrinker 09-19-2012 07:38 AM

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Have to disagree with the if Colston doesn't fumble out the endzone we beat Washington crap. It was under 2 minutes left and the defense stopped Washington and Tez blocked the punt and we scored a TD anyway with 14 seconds left in the half. The same as if Colston holds on to the ball and we score on the next play. Colston's fumble didn't hurt us in that game. No way can we score twice in the first half of that game under 2 minutes.

228jits 09-19-2012 08:16 AM

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Really, you can't blame Spags in this. He's been given the task of turning a mediocre-at-best defense and expected to turn them into the 2007 post season Giants defense. Sorry to upset the fairweather Saints fans, but it's not going to happen. Our D line is not going to work with the current line up.

You can teach technique until your eyes turn blue, but you can't teach heart. This group, as a whole, has no heart. Bunkley is the most aggresive of front. Will Smith forgot that he's not suspended. Jordan is a work in progress. I don't know where is Ellis is.

The LB's can't get swallowed by the O line for this system to work. They have to be able to play more coverage and be able to protect the edges better. They haven't been able to with 5 man O lines stepping on their laces.

Ashley 09-19-2012 08:34 AM

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hope your right, ill just say that

GeauxForMore 09-19-2012 09:11 AM

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All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew.

SaintnDE 09-19-2012 09:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4thqtrsaint (Post 440538)
We've laid a couple of eggs. Its time to make some breakfast. :)

Indeed! We're playing the Chefs afterall :)

228jits 09-19-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GeauxForMore (Post 440601)
All I know is we played RGlll week 1 and Cam week 2. They have non-traditional O's. I think it would be hard for any new D to run well against that. All that being said this week is my last week defending Spags if the D doesn't show some signs of improvement. Like you know STOPPING PEOPLE ON 3 AND LONG....................Oh and I pray Drew plays his game. Looks like he is spread as thin as our CB's. You can't be coach, QB, motivational speaker, GM, water boy, and try to show everyone you deserved that contract. Just Dew you Drew.

Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well when they played. Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know..

I'm not on the blame Drew bandwagon. He's trying to make up for more than he has to in his entire time in NO. He has too much pressure on him (metaphorically and during the game!)

Danno 09-19-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 440452)
Preseason doesn't matter. Plain and simple.

It absolutely does matter, just not the score. Its a glorified scrimmage. Saying pre-season doesn't matter is like saying practice doesn't matter. (please don't post that Iverson nonsense)

Joker 09-19-2012 11:05 AM

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Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question

Shoe. 09-19-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Joker (Post 440630)
Spuds system will work with the right personnel that he don't have right now. He needs to adapt to what's s ail able to him and go from there, can he, will he that's the million dollar question

His past results more or less speak for themselves.

He handled us pretty well last year with off-the-street 5th and 6th str CBs.

And we had literally the best O-line in the league, and he still was able to get to us and disrupt Brees' rhythm (and sack him a couple of times to boot).

Give the man some time to find his pieces and put them together how he likes. Keep in mind he's still largely playing with gregggggggggggggggggggggggggggs D

Tobias-Reiper 09-19-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 228jits (Post 440623)
Tampa seemed to handle Cam and RB's pretty well Jeff Fisher seemed to contain RG3 pretty well too... I don't know..

...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild.

SaintsBro 09-19-2012 12:08 PM

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I was REALLY stoked on all the new stuff with the team after that Hall of Fame game and the Patriots. I liked Grubbs, the D, the new linebackers. The starters were checking everything off the What Do We Want To See checklist on defense -- sack, fumble, pressures, interception, shoulda-been-a-safety, not letting teams cross midfield for a whole quarter...we even almost solved Arizona's preseason QB controversy for them! Then the starters in the Texans game, it seemed like a close but winnable slugfest, just like every time when we play them. Then ever since the Jaguars game, man, it's been a steaming cowpie out there. It's a fricking nightmare.

* sheds tear, at the memory of clobbering Kevin Kolb in the end zone, like in the good old days *

228jits 09-19-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 440641)
...hmm.. 300 yds passing/rushing with 3 TDs for Griffin against the Rams, with actual NFL footage to study for a week... Man, if that's "containment", I'd hate to see RG3 run wild.

Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked.

Let's compare game stats:

Attempts/Completions
19/26 v NO
20/29 v STL

Passing Yards
320 v NO
206 v STL

Average per pass
12.31 v NO
7.10 v STL

2 TD v NO
1 TD 1 INT v STL

Rushing attempts/yards/TD's
9/42/0 v NO
11/82/2 v STL

Tobias-Reiper 09-19-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 228jits (Post 440685)
Nice that you can read stats. If you watched the game that the Rams actually touched RG3. They gave him problems. Because he was able to pass the ball for 300 yards means he was as advertised. And yes the contained him enough to win the game. Redskins are 1-1 the last time I checked.

Gee, they touched him! The humanity.

I am simply saying that a team "containing" a QB to 300 yds and 3 TDs is not really "containing" him, lest you expect RG3 to be gaining 400 yds and scoring 5 TDs a game.

blackangold 09-19-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AllSaints (Post 440405)
Chiefs game could be bad.... They have some weapons on Offense and sum studs on the D... Im hoping somehow someway we can get this win...

Isn't it sad how we are talking about "getting away with" a win against an 0-2 team?

Man, even given the off-season we had I would never have thought we would be in this position.

CharityMike 09-19-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 440718)
Isn't it sad how we are talking about "getting away with" a win against an 0-2 team?

Man, even given the off-season we had I would never have thought we would be in this position.

You aren't the only one bro


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