49ers vs. the Saints

The Dude · 09-18-2012, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

I live in the Bay Area now and it makes me sick that the 4-and-9ers are so relevant again.
But as I watched the game Sunday night, I realized why.

It's no wonder the 49ers are good this year

Of their starting 11 on offense, 7 are first round picks.
Michael Crabtree – 1st round, 10th overall
Joe Staley – 1st Round, 28th overall
Mike Iupati – 1st round, 17th overall
Jonathan Goodwin – 5th round
Alex Boone – undrafted
Anthony Davis – 1st round, 11th overall
Vernon Davis – 1st round, 6th overall
Randy Moss – 1st round, 21st overall
Bruce Miller – 7th round
Frank gore – 3rd round
Alex Smith – 1st round, 1st overall

Last year's New Orleans Saints record setting offense featured one first rounder, Mark Ingram, and he wasn't even a starter.
This year we finally have a first rounder starting... Ben Grubbs (he was a free agent)

With 5 more first rounders on defense..
It's no wonder the niners are finally good. 12 of their 22 starters are "first round talent." They should be good on accident.

Thats what happens when you suck for a long time and draft wisely.

The Dude · 09-18-2012, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by exiled

no an argument NOLA can really make well - there was a time when the only time we got to shout "We're number one!" was on draft day.

I do like the parity in the NFL - even going into week 3 - sitting at 0-2 1/8 of the season gone - last place in the conference - we still have reason to believe.

and I do.

bobdog86 · 09-18-2012, 11:31 PM

YOU WIN BY controlling the line of scrimmage, period...Football 101, Both offensively and defensively. Shore up both of those, primarily the D line (first) and progress from there.

boonedocksaint · 09-19-2012, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first

the guys in the middle are the least of our defensive problems. the LEAST. that might be the best part of our defense right now. all the big runs have been off tackle, nothing through the guys in the middle. they've been pretty stout against the run. and they're getting push in the middle as far as pass rush is concerned.

if you wanna talk defensive problems, look at our weak linebacking corps and shoddy secondary. they cant tackle worth a crap. i bought a jenkins jersey this summer. im going to burn it.

alexonfyre · 09-19-2012, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years

Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety

Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins

I agree with you, with the exception that it's Roman Harper that needs to go. He's one of my favorite players, but everyone around him is stuck compensating for him in the pass game and can't focus on their job. He was good when GW ran the Voodoo defense that kept him out of coverage and blitzing, which he is good at, but in a traditional 4-3 D he has no place (too small to be a linebacker.) Jenkins, Lofton, and even Jabari sometimes have to focus on backing up his assignments, and they can't focus on their job. The system works, the players can run it, but Harper is a 2 down safety (does that even exist?) at best.

TheOak · 09-19-2012, 07:17 AM

I dont think first rounders have a whole lot to do with it.

The Pats do just as well with out them

GoofySaint · 09-19-2012, 05:02 PM

The 49ers won't be around for a long.

Defensive teams in this era don't last that long unless they update or at least have SOME offense.

The Ravens and Steelers have always done good because they have an offense to work with that and they got that early. The 9ers JUST GOT THAT. They've already wasted so much time.

The steelers and Ravens are STILL good because they continue to update their teams.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed getting old? Here's Terrel Suggs and Haloti Ngata.

Troy Polamalu and Jame Harrison getting old? Here's Lamarr Woodley and Ryan Clark.

The 49ers got lucky because none of them got injured last season. That most likely won't happen again and unlike the steelers and ravens, the 9ers have no depth and I don't think they can update since it took them this long just to update their head coach.

skymike · 09-19-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I mean the Texans are scary good, ....

naaa... fear not the Texans.... Wade Phillips, maybe, but as long as Kubiak
is their HC, they'll find a way to outsmart themselves.

frydaddy · 09-19-2012, 07:31 PM

The ravens don't have an offense. They had jamal lewis and now they have ray rice. The other 10 guys on the field are there to block

Haps Biggest Fan · 09-19-2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Thats what happens when you suck for a long time and draft wisely.

Yes, the key is that you MUST draft wisely.

I sometimes suspect that the Saints have not drafted very wisely, especially on Defense.

09-18-2012, 11:22 PM	#11
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by frankeefrank I live in the Bay Area now and it makes me sick that the 4-and-9ers are so relevant again. But as I watched the game Sunday night, I realized why. It's no wonder the 49ers are good this year Of their starting 11 on offense, 7 are first round picks. Michael Crabtree – 1st round, 10th overall Joe Staley – 1st Round, 28th overall Mike Iupati – 1st round, 17th overall Jonathan Goodwin – 5th round Alex Boone – undrafted Anthony Davis – 1st round, 11th overall Vernon Davis – 1st round, 6th overall Randy Moss – 1st round, 21st overall Bruce Miller – 7th round Frank gore – 3rd round Alex Smith – 1st round, 1st overall Last year's New Orleans Saints record setting offense featured one first rounder, Mark Ingram, and he wasn't even a starter. This year we finally have a first rounder starting... Ben Grubbs (he was a free agent) With 5 more first rounders on defense.. It's no wonder the niners are finally good. 12 of their 22 starters are "first round talent." They should be good on accident. Thats what happens when you suck for a long time and draft wisely.
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09-18-2012, 11:25 PM	#12
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by exiled no an argument NOLA can really make well - there was a time when the only time we got to shout "We're number one!" was on draft day. I do like the parity in the NFL - even going into week 3 - sitting at 0-2 1/8 of the season gone - last place in the conference - we still have reason to believe. and I do.
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09-18-2012, 11:31 PM	#13
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,406	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints YOU WIN BY controlling the line of scrimmage, period...Football 101, Both offensively and defensively. Shore up both of those, primarily the D line (first) and progress from there. Ashley and Joker like this.

09-19-2012, 01:26 AM	#14
boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first the guys in the middle are the least of our defensive problems. the LEAST. that might be the best part of our defense right now. all the big runs have been off tackle, nothing through the guys in the middle. they've been pretty stout against the run. and they're getting push in the middle as far as pass rush is concerned. if you wanna talk defensive problems, look at our weak linebacking corps and shoddy secondary. they cant tackle worth a crap. i bought a jenkins jersey this summer. im going to burn it.

09-19-2012, 03:19 AM	#15
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins I agree with you, with the exception that it's Roman Harper that needs to go. He's one of my favorite players, but everyone around him is stuck compensating for him in the pass game and can't focus on their job. He was good when GW ran the Voodoo defense that kept him out of coverage and blitzing, which he is good at, but in a traditional 4-3 D he has no place (too small to be a linebacker.) Jenkins, Lofton, and even Jabari sometimes have to focus on backing up his assignments, and they can't focus on their job. The system works, the players can run it, but Harper is a 2 down safety (does that even exist?) at best.

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09-19-2012, 07:17 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints I dont think first rounders have a whole lot to do with it. The Pats do just as well with out them

09-19-2012, 05:02 PM	#17
GoofySaint 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Philipsburg, PA Posts: 161	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints The 49ers won't be around for a long. Defensive teams in this era don't last that long unless they update or at least have SOME offense. The Ravens and Steelers have always done good because they have an offense to work with that and they got that early. The 9ers JUST GOT THAT. They've already wasted so much time. The steelers and Ravens are STILL good because they continue to update their teams. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed getting old? Here's Terrel Suggs and Haloti Ngata. Troy Polamalu and Jame Harrison getting old? Here's Lamarr Woodley and Ryan Clark. The 49ers got lucky because none of them got injured last season. That most likely won't happen again and unlike the steelers and ravens, the 9ers have no depth and I don't think they can update since it took them this long just to update their head coach.

09-19-2012, 06:59 PM	#18
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by SaintsBro I mean the Texans are scary good, .... naaa... fear not the Texans.... Wade Phillips, maybe, but as long as Kubiak is their HC, they'll find a way to outsmart themselves.

09-19-2012, 07:31 PM	#19
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints The ravens don't have an offense. They had jamal lewis and now they have ray rice. The other 10 guys on the field are there to block

09-19-2012, 09:40 PM	#20
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by The Dude Thats what happens when you suck for a long time and draft wisely. Yes, the key is that you MUST draft wisely. I sometimes suspect that the Saints have not drafted very wisely, especially on Defense.