49ers vs. the Saints

frankeefrank · 09-18-2012, 05:04 PM

I live in the Bay Area now and it makes me sick that the 4-and-9ers are so relevant again.
But as I watched the game Sunday night, I realized why.

It's no wonder the 49ers are good this year

Of their starting 11 on offense, 7 are first round picks.
Michael Crabtree – 1st round, 10th overall
Joe Staley – 1st Round, 28th overall
Mike Iupati – 1st round, 17th overall
Jonathan Goodwin – 5th round
Alex Boone – undrafted
Anthony Davis – 1st round, 11th overall
Vernon Davis – 1st round, 6th overall
Randy Moss – 1st round, 21st overall
Bruce Miller – 7th round
Frank gore – 3rd round
Alex Smith – 1st round, 1st overall

Last year's New Orleans Saints record setting offense featured one first rounder, Mark Ingram, and he wasn't even a starter.
This year we finally have a first rounder starting... Ben Grubbs (he was a free agent)

With 5 more first rounders on defense..
It's no wonder the niners are finally good. 12 of their 22 starters are "first round talent." They should be good on accident.

SaintsBro · 09-18-2012, 05:18 PM

People talk about the 49ers, the Texans, and the Lions as being up-and-coming teams that are really good. They definitely are. But it took roughly a decade of mediocrity for each of them to stockpile all those high picks and accumulate talent on both sides of the ball. They just kept adding and adding, until it finally reaches a certain critical mass, like the Lions making the playoffs last year.

I mean the Texans are scary good, they are so evenly balanced with talent on both sides of the ball. But keep in mind it took a LOT of 6-10, 7-9, and 8-8 seasons, and a lot of playing second fiddle to Peyton Manning in their division, losing to him 2x a year and no playoffs for a LONG time, for them to get that talent.

skymike · 09-19-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I mean the Texans are scary good, ....

naaa... fear not the Texans.... Wade Phillips, maybe, but as long as Kubiak
is their HC, they'll find a way to outsmart themselves.

frydaddy · 09-19-2012, 06:31 PM

The ravens don't have an offense. They had jamal lewis and now they have ray rice. The other 10 guys on the field are there to block

dizzle88 · 09-18-2012, 05:20 PM

We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years

Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety

Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins

|Mitch| · 09-18-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety

What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first

dizzle88 · 09-18-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first

I'd give akiem hicks that spot to begin with, he has potential and disrupted the pocket vs panthers

|Mitch| · 09-18-2012, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'd give akiem hicks that spot to begin with, he has potential and disrupted the pocket vs panthers

Then grab Smiths replacement... D-Line first

boonedocksaint · 09-19-2012, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first

the guys in the middle are the least of our defensive problems. the LEAST. that might be the best part of our defense right now. all the big runs have been off tackle, nothing through the guys in the middle. they've been pretty stout against the run. and they're getting push in the middle as far as pass rush is concerned.

if you wanna talk defensive problems, look at our weak linebacking corps and shoddy secondary. they cant tackle worth a crap. i bought a jenkins jersey this summer. im going to burn it.

alexonfyre · 09-19-2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years

Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety

Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins

I agree with you, with the exception that it's Roman Harper that needs to go. He's one of my favorite players, but everyone around him is stuck compensating for him in the pass game and can't focus on their job. He was good when GW ran the Voodoo defense that kept him out of coverage and blitzing, which he is good at, but in a traditional 4-3 D he has no place (too small to be a linebacker.) Jenkins, Lofton, and even Jabari sometimes have to focus on backing up his assignments, and they can't focus on their job. The system works, the players can run it, but Harper is a 2 down safety (does that even exist?) at best.

09-18-2012, 05:04 PM	#1
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	49ers vs. the Saints I live in the Bay Area now and it makes me sick that the 4-and-9ers are so relevant again. But as I watched the game Sunday night, I realized why. It's no wonder the 49ers are good this year Of their starting 11 on offense, 7 are first round picks. Michael Crabtree – 1st round, 10th overall Joe Staley – 1st Round, 28th overall Mike Iupati – 1st round, 17th overall Jonathan Goodwin – 5th round Alex Boone – undrafted Anthony Davis – 1st round, 11th overall Vernon Davis – 1st round, 6th overall Randy Moss – 1st round, 21st overall Bruce Miller – 7th round Frank gore – 3rd round Alex Smith – 1st round, 1st overall Last year's New Orleans Saints record setting offense featured one first rounder, Mark Ingram, and he wasn't even a starter. This year we finally have a first rounder starting... Ben Grubbs (he was a free agent) With 5 more first rounders on defense.. It's no wonder the niners are finally good. 12 of their 22 starters are "first round talent." They should be good on accident.
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	The weather is always 72 degrees and perfect, in the Dome

09-18-2012, 05:18 PM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints People talk about the 49ers, the Texans, and the Lions as being up-and-coming teams that are really good. They definitely are. But it took roughly a decade of mediocrity for each of them to stockpile all those high picks and accumulate talent on both sides of the ball. They just kept adding and adding, until it finally reaches a certain critical mass, like the Lions making the playoffs last year. I mean the Texans are scary good, they are so evenly balanced with talent on both sides of the ball. But keep in mind it took a LOT of 6-10, 7-9, and 8-8 seasons, and a lot of playing second fiddle to Peyton Manning in their division, losing to him 2x a year and no playoffs for a LONG time, for them to get that talent.

09-19-2012, 05:59 PM	#3
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by SaintsBro I mean the Texans are scary good, .... naaa... fear not the Texans.... Wade Phillips, maybe, but as long as Kubiak is their HC, they'll find a way to outsmart themselves.

09-19-2012, 06:31 PM	#4
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,953 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints The ravens don't have an offense. They had jamal lewis and now they have ray rice. The other 10 guys on the field are there to block

09-18-2012, 05:20 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins

09-18-2012, 05:22 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first CharityMike likes this.

09-18-2012, 05:24 PM	#7
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first I'd give akiem hicks that spot to begin with, he has potential and disrupted the pocket vs panthers

09-18-2012, 05:26 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'd give akiem hicks that spot to begin with, he has potential and disrupted the pocket vs panthers Then grab Smiths replacement... D-Line first

09-19-2012, 12:26 AM	#9
boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| What we need is a stud DT to replace Ellis, D-Line needs to be the first priority... Build the pass rush first the guys in the middle are the least of our defensive problems. the LEAST. that might be the best part of our defense right now. all the big runs have been off tackle, nothing through the guys in the middle. they've been pretty stout against the run. and they're getting push in the middle as far as pass rush is concerned. if you wanna talk defensive problems, look at our weak linebacking corps and shoddy secondary. they cant tackle worth a crap. i bought a jenkins jersey this summer. im going to burn it.

09-19-2012, 02:19 AM	#10
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: 49ers vs. the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 We need a dominant player on D, we have gave the O most of the picks the last couple years Id say we need an CB, OLB or safety Jenkins needs to go, we need a natural ball hawking safety and that's not Jenkins I agree with you, with the exception that it's Roman Harper that needs to go. He's one of my favorite players, but everyone around him is stuck compensating for him in the pass game and can't focus on their job. He was good when GW ran the Voodoo defense that kept him out of coverage and blitzing, which he is good at, but in a traditional 4-3 D he has no place (too small to be a linebacker.) Jenkins, Lofton, and even Jabari sometimes have to focus on backing up his assignments, and they can't focus on their job. The system works, the players can run it, but Harper is a 2 down safety (does that even exist?) at best.