Pierre Thomas Philosophy
 

Have the Saints lost their way with regards to the Pierre Thomas Philosophy?

This is the one where no matter where you are drafted, what money were signed, that if you are performing the best you get playing time...

While they did move De La Puenta over Kreutz last season, it would seem they could do the same in a few other positions...

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Specifically, I could think of five starters or significant playing time players that have not been getting it done...

Ellis, Smith, Jenkins, Harper, Ingram, Hartley...

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Oh, and was it or wasn't it a TD catch by PT - despite being a homer, I really didn't see compelling evidence to overturn the call on the field...

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Thomas always makes plays, unless he is speared in the head by defenders... (See SF game)
Why we don't feature him as an every down back is beyond me.
Then again, when this team has a head coach, stuff like this is not a problem.

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IMO the entire defensive front could be replaced. It frankly couldn't get any worse.

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Just from the replays I saw on TV, I thought he had his hand under the ball the whole time. Didn't look like it hit the ground at all...

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PT is a stud, plays his hardest every down and produces in all aspects of the game. Him and Sproles are a perfect 1-2 punch in my opinion. I wish we had SP to get everything fluid.

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I was concerned when the Saints signed him to as much as they did - boy, was I wrong...

He's making the Ingram pick look worse with every game...

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The ball was trapped between his pad, helmet and hand.

Part of the ball may have come in contact with the ground but that is legal. At least it is in the NFL.

I'm guessing they interpreted it incomplete when replay showed some aire between his hand the ball as he was coming off the turf.

There was nowhere near conclusive evidence to overturn that TD.

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I'd include the entire front 7 in that statement. Maybe keep Jordan, Lofton, Bunkley and Hicks. The rest... meh.

You're right, journeymen couldn't be much worse.

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I'd keep Wilson and let him start somewhere, LB/DE

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Ellis - 4 solo tckls, 10 assits so far. Invisible comes to mind.
Smith - was our best DE (four years ago)
Jenkins / Harper - these guys look completely confused
Ingram - is it me or is there rarely a hole for this guy??
Hartley - one more missed FG........

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Suckage Rankings on Defense

Sedrick Ellis
Scott Shanle
David Hawthorne
Will Smith
Broderick Bunkley
Patrick Robinson
Malcolm Jenkins
Corey White (he gets a temp pass for being a rook)
Cam Jordan
Roman Harper
Curtis Lofton
Jabari Greer

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Will Smith is slow, Eillis gets no pressure and Jordan can benefit if one other D-lineman step up. Young line is needed, I think Hicks Johnson and Walker can improve the middle of the line with increased playing time as too with Jr and Tez.

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PT 23 is the man. He's worth more than his meager contraact. He's not being used effectively now, but will hopefully stay healthy with a good rotation.

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We ain't got no money to fix our D to a great extent anyway, 100 million dollars and we can't even complete a single pass in the second half and get a total of minus 16 yards in the 4th

If we had kept running the ball when we were up 24-6, this would never have happened, but drew forces that pass and 5 minutes later its 24-16

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I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."

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Well we did run PT 6 times this game, for 11 yards.

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It looks like the coaches have lost the Payton philosophy. How can you be with Payton for 4-5years and not learn anything?

In order to save any part of this season Spags will have to change his philosopy. He needs to realize what he is doing is not working.

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I'm wondering if maybe Carmichael IS calling for some more run plays but Brees is audible-ing out of them? I felt like there were a lot of audibles yesterday

But you're very right, we certainly never had a rhythm going after that first drive. Perhaps it was the call-reversals that got to them eventually; its got to be deflating to work that hard, get down the field, make an incredibly athletic play, and then have one bozo overturn another bozo's initial call that you scored a TD, or were in bounds. Twice.

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Yup. Only once in the whole 4th quarter and OT though. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. He did not do much in the first half, the whole running game did not do well. But on his 2nd half runs Pierre got 3, 3, 5, and -1 yards, until they stopped. So...I dunno, my impression is that he was not exactly lighting the world on fire, not having a big day, but he was kinda showing signs of improving his yardage, as the game went on. With 9:11 left in the 4th, up 24-19, and Pierre becomes Mr. Invisible after that point. I wish I had more time to dig in and figure out what's really going on with this. That was a really spectacular 2nd half collapse by the offense. We had no answer for closing out the game.


4th quarter/OT 3 and outs and assorted misery:
Rush: Darren Sproles rushed left to the New Orleans 22 for 2 yards.
Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Devery Henderson.
Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Jimmy Graham.

Rush: Pierre Thomas rushed left to the New Orleans 19 for -1 yards.
Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Darren Sproles.
Sack: Drew Brees sacked by Justin Houston for -7 yards.

Rush: Darren Sproles rushed left to the New Orleans 7 for -2 yards.
Sack: Drew Brees sacked by Justin Houston in the endzone. Safety.

Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Jimmy Graham.
Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Lance Moore.
Pass-incomplete: Drew Brees pass incomplete to Devery Henderson.

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Actually, Ellis, Smith, Jenkins, Harper, Ingram, Hartley, Robinson, Shanle, Bunkley, Colston, Graham. That's just off the top of my head.