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TheOak 09-24-2012 12:57 PM

The Spagnola Scheme
 
Perhaps this is not the opportune year to implement Spags complicated defense. Just "maybe" there is too much going on for this? What about a 3-4 so we have an extra line backer, we do not seem to be putting pressure on the QB or stopping the RB at the line very often, why not drop one back and try to keep them to 2-3 yards?

In best case scenarios, none of which we have presently, it took defenses 3-4 games to pick it up.

When I say Best case scenario:
  • Team Captains that the defense has been under for a few seasons and trust.
  • The right players for the scheme.
  • A head coach to make sure that Spags only had to focus on the Defense.
  • An off season where the defense was not dragged through the media.
This year is the perfect storm for the Saints. Any of the issues by them selves the team could handle but all of them at once has never been put on a team in History. Maybe... Just maybe.... We should try to do this next year?

Thoughts?

Vrillon82 09-24-2012 12:59 PM

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scheme might not be right because our players on defense is not that good to begin with.

One of the glaring problems I see with our defense is they are freaking slow, one reason why they couldnt contain run option QBs like Newton and RGIII and allowed JC to run it 33 times for over 200 yards.

Running JC 33 times kind of tells you the weakness of the defense is speed.

|Mitch| 09-24-2012 01:04 PM

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So wait; you're saying switch to a 3-4 defense this year and then switch back to Spags zone scheme next year?

Looks like a lot more learning to me, bad idea...

jlouhill 09-24-2012 01:08 PM

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I don't think changing up from one to the other and back is a good idea. But I agree with you on the effect this offseason has had on the team. I just think it's been too much to ask any human being to endure and then go out and perform at the level we have been accustomed to seeing. Goodell knew what he was doing and his plan is working to perfection.

Vrillon82 09-24-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jlouhill (Post 442437)
I don't think changing up from one to the other and back is a good idea. But I agree with you on the effect this offseason has had on the team. I just think it's been too much to ask any human being to endure and then go out and perform at the level we have been accustomed to seeing. Goodell knew what he was doing and his plan is working to perfection.

Interesting you mention this because I got a good post about Goodell and knowing what he was doing, as well as it pertains to the schedule also, put it this way........too much of a coincidence.

TheOak 09-24-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 442434)
So wait; you're saying switch to a 3-4 defense this year and then switch back to Spags zone scheme next year?

Looks like a lot more learning to me, bad idea...

Very valid point. I would agree if the defense was catching on to what Spags is trying to do now. They may be but I have not seem evidence of that in game play. The idea was based on trying to learn something they may be able to pick up in a week or two vs months... Simplifying things...

Work with me LOL... I'm fishing here for ways to not set records this year.

|Mitch| 09-24-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 442441)
Very valid point. I would agree if the defense was catching on to what Spags is trying to do now. They may be but I have not seem evidence of that in game play. The idea was based on trying to learn something they may be able to pick up in a week or two vs months... Simplifying things...

Work with me LOL... I'm fishing here for ways to not set records this year.

I think the defense was a little better yesterday, I mean holding them to 6 fgs and the offense didn't come through...

Vrillon82 09-24-2012 01:35 PM

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but they allowed JC to beat them.

The KC offense is very anemic to begin with and they scored 27 pts.
Albeit they didnt score TDs but 1, but most of that is because Cassel has no accuracy, otherwise it would of been worse.

|Mitch| 09-24-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 442449)
but they allowed JC to beat them.

They held to 6 at the half and then the offense had like 300 3 and outs in the second half, the defense was bound to get tired and struggle

TheOak 09-24-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 442448)
I think the defense was a little better yesterday, I mean holding them to 6 fgs and the offense didn't come through...

I did mention that in another post... While they moved the ball on us almost at will, we managed to do a damn good job in the red zone. 6FG and 1 TD with 510 ttl yards is pretty damn difficult to do.

Probably because the RedZone is more condensed and its difficult for our players to wander off away from the ball...

Vrillon82 09-24-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 442450)
They held to 6 at the half and then the offense had like 300 3 and outs in the second half, the defense was bound to get tired and struggle

Yeah.

I think our offensive woes is we using last years playbook and the play calling has become too predictable.

But you know, we should of had 38 pts on the board, the refs cost up 2 TDs to.

AzSaintsFan5 09-24-2012 02:28 PM

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I say put the whole starting squad on the practice squad and bring up the practice squad foir a week or two. Maybe that will light a fire under their sorry ars's

saintfan 09-24-2012 04:16 PM

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They beat us on field position all day. That matters. It's fine and good to bow up in the red zone. How about we bow up somewhere else once or thrice?

Joker 09-24-2012 04:23 PM

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4-3, 3-4 it doesn't matter if you don't have the personnel to implement that scheme. The defense is horrible and the defensive coordinator hasn't a clue on how to fix this thing.
Front 4 can't get penetration, LB or safeties can't seal the sidelines and corners can't cover.
Did I miss anything feel free to comment, absolutely horrible defense and there's no one to blame but the coaches and players.

Shoe. 09-24-2012 04:25 PM

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Hard to argue with only 6 points allowed in the first half.

But when the offense simply can't hold onto the ball and develop any kind of steady drive to eat some clock/rest the D in the second half, lots of teams would come back on a defense asked to do so much, especially if your main offensive weapon is JC.

That said it would've been nice to see them hunker down and just stop KC on that last drive to the winning FG, tired or not. Memories of ATL last year...

Marlboro Man 09-24-2012 04:28 PM

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Well, if Ingram is activated again this week and not Ivory, I'm not even gonna watch the game.

Vrillon82 09-24-2012 04:29 PM

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**** Ingram.

I am tired of seeing him get the ball, like I said in preseason, all he does is running straight into the backs of the O-line and picks up hardly any yards, he gets tackled on first contact.

Waste of a 1st round pick last year.

Joker 09-24-2012 04:51 PM

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Need to give Cadet a shot and if does well this makes Ingram trade bait. We already know what Ivory can do, and yes I agree activate Ivory.

spkb25 09-24-2012 05:38 PM

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I this year is going to be lost with all else going on might as well use it to learn his scheme the entire year

better prepared next year

CharityMike 09-24-2012 05:49 PM

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I think one BIG problem other than personnel is that the players are "thinking" to much. They aren't just playing ball. I think maybe Spags needs to dumb it down a bit. Maybe some things are starting to change. We seen a lot more Galette and Knicks this last game.

TheOak 09-24-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoe. (Post 442576)
Hard to argue with only 6 points allowed in the first half.

But when the offense simply can't hold onto the ball and develop any kind of steady drive to eat some clock/rest the D in the second half, lots of teams would come back on a defense asked to do so much, especially if your main offensive weapon is JC.

That said it would've been nice to see them hunker down and just stop KC on that last drive to the winning FG, tired or not. Memories of ATL last year...

Moral of the story is KC adjusted after the half and we didn't.... At all.

SaintsBro 09-24-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 442658)
Moral of the story is KC adjusted after the half and we didn't.... At all.

I'm almost tempted to say we actually regressed, into more of what the Chiefs defense were expecting, rather than less

Jamessr 09-24-2012 08:25 PM

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I hope our guys are watching Seattle right now... 4 sacks and barely into the 4th quarter.
If this keep up we can beat them

CharityMike 09-24-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 442709)
I hope our guys are watching Seattle right now... 4 sacks and barely into the 2nd quarter.
If this keep up we can beat them

Fixed

Jamessr 09-24-2012 09:08 PM

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Sorry I have issue with number lol. I had to re-read it again! Thanks


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