What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints?

09-25-2012, 01:05 PM

The one thing no one is mentioning is the officials--it's as if we're playing them too. Perhaps the Thomas play had the ball hitting the ground. But there wasn't even one camera angle that clearly showed the ball hitting the ground. He had his hand under it, yet the referee reversed the on-the-field call.

And that darned field goal looked inside--I followed it on my DVR, and even when the ball was way smaller than the goal posts (they are roughly the same diameter with the ball), it was still inside the goal-posts. Even political commentator Cenk Uygur played it on his show.

And who knows about all the smaller things, like holding being called on many little plays where they made some ground. These replacements need to go, to be tossed to the curb.

FinSaint · 09-25-2012, 01:20 PM

It just baffles me how bad especially Ellis looked against the Chiefs' O-Line, he got pushed aside far too easily and when he had a chance to make a play on Cassel... he just ran circles around him.

Johnson and Hicks looked much better as the DT tandem than Bunkley and Ellis did, which I guess is why they saw more playing time late in the game.

I really don't know if the main reason why the defense has been so inept is because of Spags' scheme or the personnel running it, but if I'd have to pick one I'd say that there are far too many players on the defense who need to be upgraded to someone else - Ellis is the main example of this.

I wouldn't have thought losing SP for the year would have had this big of an affect on the team's performance, but I have to believe that his absence is the number 1 reason why this team has been so out of sync this far.

WhoDat!656 · 09-25-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Surely it would be easier to say what's right with the Saints?

Pierre Thomas

Everything else is wrong

It is definitely a shorter list!!

FinSaint · 09-25-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by mike27

The one thing no one is mentioning is the officials--it's as if we're playing them too. Perhaps the Thomas play had the ball hitting the ground. But there wasn't even one camera angle that clearly showed the ball hitting the ground. He had his hand under it, yet the referee reversed the on-the-field call.

And that darned field goal looked inside--I followed it on my DVR, and even when the ball was way smaller than the goal posts (they are roughly the same diameter with the ball), it was still inside the goal-posts. Even political commentator Cenk Uygur played it on his show.

And who knows about all the smaller things, like holding being called on many little plays where they made some ground. These replacements need to go, to be tossed to the curb.

Also, the Moore catch where his other foot clearly, at least to me, hit the side of the pylon before the shoe hit the ground out of bounds.

Still, the call was overturned even though I can't believe they saw 100% evidence to overturn the initial call of Moore making the catch, but being a little short of the goal-line.

Ashley · 09-25-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You can't blame the players if you think the suspension of Payton is a big problem.

We went 13-3 with these same players last year, and we gained more talent this offseason than we lost.

Originally Posted by Danno

Obviously whats wrong is the absense of our head coach.

After that its the OL, DL, OLB, TE, K, CB, and WR's.

Other than that were just fine.

Well just like you did, coach first, then players. I went the other way players first then Coach. They all are to blame for this year.

Danno · 09-25-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Also, the Moore catch where his other foot clearly, at least to me, hit the side of the pylon before the shoe hit the ground out of bounds.

Still, the call was overturned even though I can't believe they saw 100% evidence to overturn the initial call of Moore making the catch, but being a little short of the goal-line.

The pylon isn't part of the field, it merely identifies the plane of the goal line. You still have to have the 2nd foot touch the ground.

TheOak · 09-25-2012, 02:16 PM

I would go so far as to say its not the players.. It is not the lack of Sean Payton... Many teams have won Super Bowls with out Sean Payton, and less talent than we have on the field.

Its the present coaches inability to adjust.

NOLA54 · 09-25-2012, 02:20 PM

I think we are trying to go from first to worst and maybe we desrve it if we can't play upt to our talent & potential with or without Payton. I think the only team we can beat is ourselves & we are 3/0 in that department.

But at the same time I feel like we have become spoiled enough that we are hatting on our team. I'm not saying make excuses for their play and lack of intensity. Their character can now be measured in what they do from this point out. Will someone make bold moves to try to salvage the season or will they just accept their fate?

FinSaint · 09-25-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The pylon isn't part of the field, it merely identifies the plane of the goal line. You still have to have the 2nd foot touch the ground.

OK, I was just going by what the broadcast team was saying about the rule. Naturally, I should've known better than to trust Gumbel's and Dierdorf's knowledge of the rules.

Boutte · 09-25-2012, 08:56 PM

This is so depressing.

09-25-2012, 01:05 PM	#11
Threaded by mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2 Rating: (0 votes - average) The one thing no one is mentioning is the officials--it's as if we're playing them too. Perhaps the Thomas play had the ball hitting the ground. But there wasn't even one camera angle that clearly showed the ball hitting the ground. He had his hand under it, yet the referee reversed the on-the-field call. And that darned field goal looked inside--I followed it on my DVR, and even when the ball was way smaller than the goal posts (they are roughly the same diameter with the ball), it was still inside the goal-posts. Even political commentator Cenk Uygur played it on his show. And who knows about all the smaller things, like holding being called on many little plays where they made some ground. These replacements need to go, to be tossed to the curb.
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09-25-2012, 01:20 PM	#12
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? It just baffles me how bad especially Ellis looked against the Chiefs' O-Line, he got pushed aside far too easily and when he had a chance to make a play on Cassel... he just ran circles around him. Johnson and Hicks looked much better as the DT tandem than Bunkley and Ellis did, which I guess is why they saw more playing time late in the game. I really don't know if the main reason why the defense has been so inept is because of Spags' scheme or the personnel running it, but if I'd have to pick one I'd say that there are far too many players on the defense who need to be upgraded to someone else - Ellis is the main example of this. I wouldn't have thought losing SP for the year would have had this big of an affect on the team's performance, but I have to believe that his absence is the number 1 reason why this team has been so out of sync this far.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

09-25-2012, 01:25 PM	#13
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? Originally Posted by lee909 Surely it would be easier to say what's right with the Saints? Pierre Thomas Everything else is wrong It is definitely a shorter list!!

09-25-2012, 01:26 PM	#14
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? Originally Posted by mike27 The one thing no one is mentioning is the officials--it's as if we're playing them too. Perhaps the Thomas play had the ball hitting the ground. But there wasn't even one camera angle that clearly showed the ball hitting the ground. He had his hand under it, yet the referee reversed the on-the-field call. And that darned field goal looked inside--I followed it on my DVR, and even when the ball was way smaller than the goal posts (they are roughly the same diameter with the ball), it was still inside the goal-posts. Even political commentator Cenk Uygur played it on his show. And who knows about all the smaller things, like holding being called on many little plays where they made some ground. These replacements need to go, to be tossed to the curb. Also, the Moore catch where his other foot clearly, at least to me, hit the side of the pylon before the shoe hit the ground out of bounds. Still, the call was overturned even though I can't believe they saw 100% evidence to overturn the initial call of Moore making the catch, but being a little short of the goal-line.

09-25-2012, 01:51 PM	#15
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Article: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? Originally Posted by Danno You can't blame the players if you think the suspension of Payton is a big problem. We went 13-3 with these same players last year, and we gained more talent this offseason than we lost. Originally Posted by Danno Obviously whats wrong is the absense of our head coach. After that its the OL, DL, OLB, TE, K, CB, and WR's. Other than that were just fine. Well just like you did, coach first, then players. I went the other way players first then Coach. They all are to blame for this year.

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09-25-2012, 01:56 PM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Also, the Moore catch where his other foot clearly, at least to me, hit the side of the pylon before the shoe hit the ground out of bounds. Still, the call was overturned even though I can't believe they saw 100% evidence to overturn the initial call of Moore making the catch, but being a little short of the goal-line. The pylon isn't part of the field, it merely identifies the plane of the goal line. You still have to have the 2nd foot touch the ground.

09-25-2012, 02:16 PM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? I would go so far as to say its not the players.. It is not the lack of Sean Payton... Many teams have won Super Bowls with out Sean Payton, and less talent than we have on the field. Its the present coaches inability to adjust.

09-25-2012, 02:20 PM	#18
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? I think we are trying to go from first to worst and maybe we desrve it if we can't play upt to our talent & potential with or without Payton. I think the only team we can beat is ourselves & we are 3/0 in that department. But at the same time I feel like we have become spoiled enough that we are hatting on our team. I'm not saying make excuses for their play and lack of intensity. Their character can now be measured in what they do from this point out. Will someone make bold moves to try to salvage the season or will they just accept their fate?

09-25-2012, 06:02 PM	#19
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? Originally Posted by Danno The pylon isn't part of the field, it merely identifies the plane of the goal line. You still have to have the 2nd foot touch the ground. OK, I was just going by what the broadcast team was saying about the rule. Naturally, I should've known better than to trust Gumbel's and Dierdorf's knowledge of the rules.

09-25-2012, 08:56 PM	#20
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: What's wrong with the New Orleans Saints? This is so depressing.

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