The Hold

saintsfan1976 · 09-26-2012, 11:20 PM

Game changer.

Saintaintso · 09-26-2012, 11:33 PM

Old News , I already did a segment on this play. Called What's wrong with our defense Visual proof ... Real Refs are back anyways case and point our defense needs to execute assignments

RailBoss · 09-27-2012, 08:07 AM

Roger that !

SaintsBro · 09-27-2012, 08:16 AM

The problem I have with this is that, in the famous '09 Dolphins game, there was a blatant hold on Vilma on that ridiculous long Ricky Williams touchdown run that put the Dolphins up by 17 or 21 or whatever the heck it was in the first quarter....huge embarrassing TD run and the Fins had all the momentum.... The difference was, THAT Saints team responded and came back to win the game. This one...didn't.

Budsdrinker · 09-27-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

The problem I have with this is that, in the famous '09 Dolphins game, there was a blatant hold on Vilma on that ridiculous long Ricky Williams touchdown run that put the Dolphins up by 17 or 21 or whatever the heck it was in the first quarter....huge embarrassing TD run and the Fins had all the momentum.... The difference was, THAT Saints team responded and came back to win the game. This one...didn't.

We also had 2 defensive TD's in that game with Sharper and Porter returning picks to the house. Big Mo is the key in this. In that 09 game we scored at the end of the half and then the Sharper pick to start the second half, Big Mo was the difference. The same thing happened this pass Sunday, Charles breaks a long run for td that should have been negated by penalty but it gave the Chiefs momentum and fired up their defense. When Big Mo makes an appearance things can change in a heartbeat.

TheOak · 09-27-2012, 09:20 AM

1. We do not bounce back from anything. This play killed the defense, and Brees interception killed the offense.

2. You know what happens more in the NFL than bad calls? Holding.. Someone is held in every play. In order for me to remotely believe that that hold was the reason for that run you would have to convince me that the other 10 players on the field were where they were supposed to be and did exactly what they were supposed to do. That holding was on the line.. where were the LB's, Corners, and Safety? Surely when the ball is handed off they stop covering receivers?

Danno · 09-27-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

1. We do not bounce back from anything. This play killed the defense, and Brees interception killed the offense.

2. You know what happens more in the NFL than bad calls? Holding.. Someone is held in every play. In order for me to remotely believe that that hold was the reason for that run you would have to convince me that the other 10 players on the field were where they were supposed to be and did exactly what they were supposed to do. That holding was on the line.. where were the LB's, Corners, and Safety? Surely when the ball is handed off they stop covering receivers?

Often times one player is the man to stop a big gain if that play is his gap responsibility.

I've seen a bazillion huge gains brought back because of a holding call.

Do you think they should just ignore all holding calls?

TheOak · 09-27-2012, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Often times one player is the man to stop a big gain if that play is his gap responsibility.

I've seen a bazillion huge gains brought back because of a holding call.

Do you think they should just ignore all holding calls?

Nope.... And I do not care to guess how many Saints runs would be called back for holding if they called all of them.

WhoDat!656 · 09-27-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Game changer.

The Saints were still winning at that point.

If the defense had gotten ONE stop and the offense gotten ONE score, the game Sunday would be between the best two 1-2 teams in football!

Jamessr · 09-27-2012, 10:00 AM

I agree that holding call changed the game. the othe 59:00 minutes is irrelevant...

09-26-2012, 11:20 PM	#1
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Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: The Hold Old News , I already did a segment on this play. Called What's wrong with our defense Visual proof ... Real Refs are back anyways case and point our defense needs to execute assignments
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09-27-2012, 08:07 AM	#3
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09-27-2012, 08:16 AM	#4
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Hold The problem I have with this is that, in the famous '09 Dolphins game, there was a blatant hold on Vilma on that ridiculous long Ricky Williams touchdown run that put the Dolphins up by 17 or 21 or whatever the heck it was in the first quarter....huge embarrassing TD run and the Fins had all the momentum.... The difference was, THAT Saints team responded and came back to win the game. This one...didn't. Ashley and SmashMouth like this.

09-27-2012, 09:08 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: The Hold Originally Posted by SaintsBro The problem I have with this is that, in the famous '09 Dolphins game, there was a blatant hold on Vilma on that ridiculous long Ricky Williams touchdown run that put the Dolphins up by 17 or 21 or whatever the heck it was in the first quarter....huge embarrassing TD run and the Fins had all the momentum.... The difference was, THAT Saints team responded and came back to win the game. This one...didn't. We also had 2 defensive TD's in that game with Sharper and Porter returning picks to the house. Big Mo is the key in this. In that 09 game we scored at the end of the half and then the Sharper pick to start the second half, Big Mo was the difference. The same thing happened this pass Sunday, Charles breaks a long run for td that should have been negated by penalty but it gave the Chiefs momentum and fired up their defense. When Big Mo makes an appearance things can change in a heartbeat.

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09-27-2012, 09:20 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The Hold 1. We do not bounce back from anything. This play killed the defense, and Brees interception killed the offense. 2. You know what happens more in the NFL than bad calls? Holding.. Someone is held in every play. In order for me to remotely believe that that hold was the reason for that run you would have to convince me that the other 10 players on the field were where they were supposed to be and did exactly what they were supposed to do. That holding was on the line.. where were the LB's, Corners, and Safety? Surely when the ball is handed off they stop covering receivers?
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09-27-2012, 09:23 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: The Hold Originally Posted by x626xBlack 1. We do not bounce back from anything. This play killed the defense, and Brees interception killed the offense. 2. You know what happens more in the NFL than bad calls? Holding.. Someone is held in every play. In order for me to remotely believe that that hold was the reason for that run you would have to convince me that the other 10 players on the field were where they were supposed to be and did exactly what they were supposed to do. That holding was on the line.. where were the LB's, Corners, and Safety? Surely when the ball is handed off they stop covering receivers? Often times one player is the man to stop a big gain if that play is his gap responsibility. I've seen a bazillion huge gains brought back because of a holding call. Do you think they should just ignore all holding calls?

09-27-2012, 09:41 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The Hold Originally Posted by Danno Often times one player is the man to stop a big gain if that play is his gap responsibility. I've seen a bazillion huge gains brought back because of a holding call. Do you think they should just ignore all holding calls? Nope.... And I do not care to guess how many Saints runs would be called back for holding if they called all of them.

09-27-2012, 09:55 AM	#9
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: The Hold Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Game changer. The Saints were still winning at that point. If the defense had gotten ONE stop and the offense gotten ONE score, the game Sunday would be between the best two 1-2 teams in football!

09-27-2012, 10:00 AM	#10
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: The Hold I agree that holding call changed the game. the othe 59:00 minutes is irrelevant...