Mark Ingram's Woes

Rell&Gold · 09-28-2012, 10:28 AM

ankle injury it happen during the falcons game he got folded

ChrisXVI · 09-27-2012, 08:09 PM

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

That's exactly right. It was a high ankle sprain. Some people don't remember too well, and think it was a knee injury. And Ivory had a foot injury.

I keep hearing people say that some people have trouble coming back from a lisfranc (I believe it's called) injury, but I have never been shown anything to suggest it's career ending. All the reports were that the surgery went well and he'd be back. It took a little time, but there wasn't any serious doubt about whether we'd have enough healthy backs. So the Saints draft a running back anyway. Then of course they signed Sproles, but that was a smart move because he was a proven guy and he was a free agent.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?!

Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years

He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims.

mutineer10 · 09-27-2012, 11:02 PM

I only wish Mark Ingram was our biggest problem!

SaintsBro · 09-28-2012, 07:38 AM

I'm not taking a side on all the medical stuff, but ya'll are forgetting that in 2010 at the time of his injury, the Seattle loss and the Ingram pick, Pierre was also in a contract year so it was completely uncertain whether he WOULD be back or not. His agent at the time was definitely making a bit of noise about wanting Pierre to get paid, so at the time of Bush leaving and the Ingram pick, there was no telling what would happen with Pierre's contract, even if his injury healed. Because you can never KNOW if you can resign someone until they sign. Just thought ya'll should include that in your discussion/argument, LOL.

Also Ivory had and still has a reputation for fumbling, so you can't put too many eggs in that basket in late 2010 when looking at the team's position needs, or running back vs. defensive picks. He's never quite "stuck" with the coaches, and been considered a reliable or go-to guy, for whatever reason.

Contine, as you were!

burningmetal · 09-28-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I'm not taking a side on all the medical stuff, but ya'll are forgetting that in 2010 at the time of his injury, the Seattle loss and the Ingram pick, Pierre was also in a contract year so it was completely uncertain whether he WOULD be back or not. His agent at the time was definitely making a bit of noise about wanting Pierre to get paid, so at the time of Bush leaving and the Ingram pick, there was no telling what would happen with Pierre's contract, even if his injury healed. Because you can never KNOW if you can resign someone until they sign. Just thought ya'll should include that in your discussion/argument, LOL.

Also Ivory had and still has a reputation for fumbling, so you can't put too many eggs in that basket in late 2010 when looking at the team's position needs, or running back vs. defensive picks. He's never quite "stuck" with the coaches, and been considered a reliable or go-to guy, for whatever reason.

Contine, as you were!

I'm afraid you missed something huge that I already pointed out. Before the draft, the Saints had already signed Pierre to a 4 year deal. There was no uncertainty whatsoever. Plus, it was pretty obvious that he was healing just fine considering the deal they gave him.

09-28-2012, 10:28 AM	#1
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes ankle injury it happen during the falcons game he got folded

09-27-2012, 08:09 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! burningmetal likes this.

09-27-2012, 08:31 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by ChrisXVI With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! That's exactly right. It was a high ankle sprain. Some people don't remember too well, and think it was a knee injury. And Ivory had a foot injury. I keep hearing people say that some people have trouble coming back from a lisfranc (I believe it's called) injury, but I have never been shown anything to suggest it's career ending. All the reports were that the surgery went well and he'd be back. It took a little time, but there wasn't any serious doubt about whether we'd have enough healthy backs. So the Saints draft a running back anyway. Then of course they signed Sproles, but that was a smart move because he was a proven guy and he was a free agent.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2012, 08:36 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by ChrisXVI With Ivory I can see your point, but there was never any thought that he'd never play again. As for Pierre, he pretty much had a high ankle sprain. You guys actually thought he was done for good?! Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years
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09-27-2012, 08:47 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Really? Then why did he have knee surgery in the offseason for? He's had 2 maybe 3 knee surgeries in the last 3-4 years He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem.

09-27-2012, 08:54 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal He had ankle surgery. Google it or something if you don't believe me. and we're talking the offseason of '10. Any surgery he might have had before then does not pertain to this subject. He was not coming off a major knee injury. It was an ankle problem. His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season

09-27-2012, 09:13 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| His ankle problem was in the '10 season, he had knee surgery at the end of the '09 season Which brings me back to my point. He was not coming off knee surgery going into the '11 season. So why again did anyone think his career might be over? You might not think it, but I'm trying to be patient. I've been arguing this point with various people since the Saints drafted Ingram, and no one has any facts to back up their claims.

09-27-2012, 11:02 PM	#8
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I only wish Mark Ingram was our biggest problem!

09-28-2012, 07:38 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I'm not taking a side on all the medical stuff, but ya'll are forgetting that in 2010 at the time of his injury, the Seattle loss and the Ingram pick, Pierre was also in a contract year so it was completely uncertain whether he WOULD be back or not. His agent at the time was definitely making a bit of noise about wanting Pierre to get paid, so at the time of Bush leaving and the Ingram pick, there was no telling what would happen with Pierre's contract, even if his injury healed. Because you can never KNOW if you can resign someone until they sign. Just thought ya'll should include that in your discussion/argument, LOL. Also Ivory had and still has a reputation for fumbling, so you can't put too many eggs in that basket in late 2010 when looking at the team's position needs, or running back vs. defensive picks. He's never quite "stuck" with the coaches, and been considered a reliable or go-to guy, for whatever reason. Contine, as you were!

09-28-2012, 05:10 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by SaintsBro I'm not taking a side on all the medical stuff, but ya'll are forgetting that in 2010 at the time of his injury, the Seattle loss and the Ingram pick, Pierre was also in a contract year so it was completely uncertain whether he WOULD be back or not. His agent at the time was definitely making a bit of noise about wanting Pierre to get paid, so at the time of Bush leaving and the Ingram pick, there was no telling what would happen with Pierre's contract, even if his injury healed. Because you can never KNOW if you can resign someone until they sign. Just thought ya'll should include that in your discussion/argument, LOL. Also Ivory had and still has a reputation for fumbling, so you can't put too many eggs in that basket in late 2010 when looking at the team's position needs, or running back vs. defensive picks. He's never quite "stuck" with the coaches, and been considered a reliable or go-to guy, for whatever reason. Contine, as you were! I'm afraid you missed something huge that I already pointed out. Before the draft, the Saints had already signed Pierre to a 4 year deal. There was no uncertainty whatsoever. Plus, it was pretty obvious that he was healing just fine considering the deal they gave him.

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