Mark Ingram's Woes

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 05:47 PM

There was never a good reason to draft Ingram. They tried to tell us he was versatile, but I never saw that in college and I surely don't see it now. There is a reason that Mark always carries the ball when he's in there. It's all he really seems to know how to do, and he sucks at that too, I'm sorry to say.

Did not Maurice Jones-Drew lead the league in rushing last year despite playing in a horrible offense with the worst quarterback in the league, at the time? You think teams weren't keying in on him? quit making excuses for Ingram... He's a bust, period. Frankly, even if he were good it would still have been a bad pick based on needs.

Danno · 09-27-2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He's a bust, period. Frankly, even if he were good it would still have been a bad pick based on needs.

Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan.

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan.

That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember.

Danno · 09-27-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember.

Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL.

Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's?

We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball.

Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense.

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL.

Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's?

We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball.

Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense.

See my above post, first.

I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle.

The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram.

Danno · 09-27-2012, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

See my above post, first.

I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle.

The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram.

I don't think we've drafted any impact players on either side of the ball in the 1st round. What makes you think we would have drafted one with the Ingram pick? In fact, the closest we've come to an impact player in the 1st round was Reggie Bush, a running back.

burningmetal · 09-27-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't think we've drafted any impact players on either side of the ball in the 1st round. What makes you think we would have drafted one with the Ingram pick? In fact, the closest we've come to an impact player in the 1st round was Reggie Bush, a running back.

Reggie Bush was drafted when we had no offense or defense. Robert Meachem was drafted in the first round and had a couple productive seasons. But drafting defenders in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds has not worked out too well. The Saints have been great at mining offensive talent in low rounds, but defensively they need to draft higher. Now I'll give them a pass from this past draft because we didn't have a high pick.

But they should have gone after a pass rusher instead of Jordan, who is a run stuffer, and with the Ingram pick maybe they could have gotten someone more in the mold of Jordan... Maybe even him, if he would have still been available. But a running back? They could have gotten that later on.

09-27-2012, 05:47 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes There was never a good reason to draft Ingram. They tried to tell us he was versatile, but I never saw that in college and I surely don't see it now. There is a reason that Mark always carries the ball when he's in there. It's all he really seems to know how to do, and he sucks at that too, I'm sorry to say. Did not Maurice Jones-Drew lead the league in rushing last year despite playing in a horrible offense with the worst quarterback in the league, at the time? You think teams weren't keying in on him? quit making excuses for Ingram... He's a bust, period. Frankly, even if he were good it would still have been a bad pick based on needs. Rell&Gold likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2012, 05:54 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal He's a bust, period. Frankly, even if he were good it would still have been a bad pick based on needs. Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan.

09-27-2012, 05:58 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Danno Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan. That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember. Rell&Gold likes this.

09-27-2012, 06:14 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember. Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL. Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's? We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball. Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense.

09-27-2012, 06:21 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Danno Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL. Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's? We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball. Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense. See my above post, first. I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle. The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram. Rell&Gold likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2012, 06:30 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by burningmetal See my above post, first. I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle. The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram. I don't think we've drafted any impact players on either side of the ball in the 1st round. What makes you think we would have drafted one with the Ingram pick? In fact, the closest we've come to an impact player in the 1st round was Reggie Bush, a running back.

09-27-2012, 08:40 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Danno I don't think we've drafted any impact players on either side of the ball in the 1st round. What makes you think we would have drafted one with the Ingram pick? In fact, the closest we've come to an impact player in the 1st round was Reggie Bush, a running back. Reggie Bush was drafted when we had no offense or defense. Robert Meachem was drafted in the first round and had a couple productive seasons. But drafting defenders in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds has not worked out too well. The Saints have been great at mining offensive talent in low rounds, but defensively they need to draft higher. Now I'll give them a pass from this past draft because we didn't have a high pick. But they should have gone after a pass rusher instead of Jordan, who is a run stuffer, and with the Ingram pick maybe they could have gotten someone more in the mold of Jordan... Maybe even him, if he would have still been available. But a running back? They could have gotten that later on.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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