Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )
 

Hello , I will once again be doing a segment on why either of our Once Best Football Player In the Nation Running Backs struggle in our System ... Before any Video or Filmwork We have to take a few things into account ...

1. We have the Best Quarterback in the NFL ... So we are going to throw first and often.

2. Due to the populated backfield , No Ball Carrier can get into a Rhythm with 1 Carry Per Quarter .


Mark Ingrams Bread and Butter Play In College and Featured Play in the majority of his Heisman highlights is the Zone Scheme Outside Run And due to the Success of the play Defenses Tried to take it away in which case he Cut back in for the Dive Play ... All his Plays feature 3 Things ...

1. Wider OLine Stances - They're Giving Him Room To Make a Cut and Find a Alley. Outside Run Or Cutback Dive

2. 1 to 2 Lead Blockers

3. Downfield Blocking ... Wr's , O Lineman Blocking


An Excellent Example is @ 1:14 , He has space a blocker even though once he hits the 2nd Level he has built up so Much Force He gains 10 yards after Contact. C

Case And Point GIVE THE KID SPACE AND A BLOCKER !

Now here He is In N.O doing what we hate to see !


@ 30 Seconds Even , Look at How Cluttered and Crowded Our Line is , ( DIVE PLAY ) He has No Cutback Lanes and Has Nowhere to Go but Into the Backs Of Our Linemen 2 Yard Gain ...

Again @ 1:35 What Hole Is He Supposed to Hit ? And Why are they Continually giving him Dives ?

He is such a Monster he gains some Yards but All that Brawn and No Brain is Wasting His Good Years ...

Again @ 1 :57 ... What do you expect the Man to Do When There are No Lanes and Even Worse Blocking ?

Now Look The First Counter or Outside Run we Give him ... @ 2: 15


Hypothesis : We are incorrectly using Him , He Needs Space , 1 Block and And preferably an outside Call.

Now To Reggie Bush ... THE GREATEST COLLEGE FB PLAYER EVER

What happened ? Lets Watch ....

At USC All the Kid Needed was some Darn Room
His Blocks weren't there sometimes but his explosiveness made up for it. He took the best angle , the most space and made the most of it. AMAZING ...


Now With The Saints ...

It's hard to make a case for him being a bust being that Only His Highlights and not regular game film is posted on Youtube , But Go Ahead and watch any of his games ... HIS BIG PLAYS COME WITH SPACE ...

Looking at it now , I regret Losing Reggie , Would've been 3 Kinds of Kick A** to keep him Get Ingram and Still Snag Sproles ...


But the Hypothesis ... We were Using Our Backs incorrectly , Our offensive line isn't as aggressive as theirs were in College , We Block in Some Clusterf*** of a Wall Leaving them no chance to do what they do best ...

And there it is

Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )
 

I think Mark Ingram watches his college highlights at night and then cries himself to sleep.

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Ingram was getting 5 yard per carry vs giants

why can't he do that now?

He needs like a 60 yard run to improve his average drastically

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Bush? Saints v. Dolphins difference? Simple...

...it's the Offensive Tackles and ours are just plain offensive...

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The problem with Ingram is not Ingram... Its the coaches play calling and use of him.

To the OP, this is not college and we do not have a QB that is young and able to scramble and run like college QB's. You have to trust your line to widen it.

Ive proven this before Ingram is put in the game when he is intended to get the ball.

That tells every LB, Safety and Dlineman Ingram is in, its a run, and he is getting it.

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There is more difference than just that. Bush was not an every down back, he had more of the Sproles roll. He also refused to run up he field, he danced too much..

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I'm amazed that anyone can look at our games this year and conclude that Ingram is the problem.

I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.

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here here!

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I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.

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I'm the opposite. It's the system for me.

I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back.

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The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

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Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it...

Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

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I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are!:drink:

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Trust me.. I understand:givemebeer:

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Last two games combined...

Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average
Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average

And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

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Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is :-)

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System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built?

Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms.

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I like your wording better.

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it easy to make runs around the edges in college. the hash marks are spread farther apart and anyone can get 3-4 yds around the corner with decent speed.

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As we saw with Bush.. The NFL is a lot faster league. Pure speed doesnt always work.. you have to be able to read, anticipate, and have some patience.

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Square peg round hole. Our system is designed for pass first run second hence the poor clustered run blocking.

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A combination of all of that. My original wording actually had all three terms in it. So I do think we're on the same page.

I do however believe our line is very strong at run blocking... we just aren't doing it with consistency. With everything, it's all about rythmn and we aren't allowing them to get in their groove. We know this line can run block... it's the same one from last year. Unfortunately for Ingram, this game is all about opportunity. Yes, I think he can be a 1,000 rusher here... he just won't have opportunity to do so.

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Yeah, exactly, and what I've been saying about it, is that with the playcalling we have, when things start to go wrong, or the minute the momentum starts to slip, or you get behind on the scoreboard early in a game, sometimes the best thing you can do as a team is just get some running rhythm going and CALM EVERYBODY THE **** DOWN and get some confidence back. And for whatever reason our team does not seem to be able to do that with the running game. It just melts down into these really panicky looking 3 and outs.

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I'll also add that by us not running with any consistency, we are losing one of our great weapons, the play action pass. Hard to get a good play action fake after we've thrown the ball 5 times in a row and haven't run it once.

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at the end of the day. our offense is not the problem. We shouldnt have to score 50 pts to win. we consistently put up over 21 pts. our running game is good enough...our defense is NOT

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True, our offense may have under-performed, but is still pretty good.

Our defense so far has been pretty pathetic.

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Thats why the kid is tearing it up in Miami ... They gave him what he was asking for

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Our system is not made to run. The Saints should Never ever draft a Rb. Our line is not a run block line. It is a pass block line like GB and New England. Bigger lineman aren't suppose to let anything in but also they don't make many big holes(because they fill them). It's not Ingram it's our line. When we have good rushing games it is only because the D is so worried about Brees beating them that they drop so many into coverage and that is why our play action and screen game is usually deadly. But when Brees is off and they don't feel threatend by the pass they can shut down both. Ingram could go to Houston right now and put up Arian Foster like numbers no doubt. That is not our game and that is why I scratched my head when we moved up to pick him. New England and Green Bay rarely take rb's that high. Usually any Nfl running back could play in our system. But Ingram is at an unfair advantage because when the d sees him they know it is up the gut. We need to mix it up with him. Just like we need to mix it up with Sproles. Sp would use Sproles 100 different ways and he rushed a lot more than he has this year. Just my opinion.

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And good for him.. I do not care to ever see him "trying" to tear it up in New Orleans again...

His personality was not a fit for the Saints. He was a show boat, brought a lot of drama with the Kardashians etc... to a team that needs to focus. New Orleans provides enough distractions. We have a humble team that is about the team and have no room for Reggie like players that want it their way.

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We have a line that was built to pass protect. Maybe, just maybe the real culprit is Ben Grubbs...........the difference is maybe more than marginal compared to Nicks. I know he grades out well and our tackles suck.
Not all the off field distractions or the lack of a head coach or the lack of play makers on defense...........none of that factors into a crappy running game. It's the size of a hole for a RB to get through.

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I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles
cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up
the entire clock.

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I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching

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Pocket Hercules doesn't run behind our O-line.

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"Scratches Head" when was Reggie Bush ever a distraction? I cant recall...since when did his personality not fit? I cant recall....since when was he a showboat? never really had to much to flaunt

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True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes)
the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling

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My boy?

Did Sean prefer Ingram over Ivory last year? (yes)
Does Kromer prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes)
Does Carmichael prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes)

So by "your boy" I guess you mean Payton, Kromer, and Carmichael's boy?

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Heisman
Carmen Ortega
Kardashian
Adidas cleats

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But he also carries the ball 20 times a game. Ingram averages 8 carries. The same with Bush, all good RB's need 20 touches a game.

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Goes back to tendencies on film. We tend to run 9 out of 10 times when Ingram is in compared to passing more when PT or Sproles is in the game. Big difference when defenses has to respect the pass instead of dead red run.

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