Think we figured out where the problem is...

NuNu318 · 10-03-2012, 02:11 PM

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#Saints interim coach Kromer: When Brees is playing like he did Sunday, he (Kromer) just tells OC Pete Carmichael to keep throwing it, play after play.

REALLLY?!?!?! So instead of clock management when you're trying to hang on to the lead.....you are so in awe of your QB you lose sight of the bigger picture...WINNING THE DAMN GAME...and do s*** like throw 3 traight downs on the goaline!!! Sweet lord....

Rugby Saint II · 10-03-2012, 02:15 PM

Do we want to break records or what?

TheOak · 10-03-2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Do we want to break records or what?

You know something.. I was looking at that earlier and even with all the drops we have had in the first 4 weeks, Drew is on pace to break 5400 yards again this year.

And that is with a 57% completion.

That has to be taking a toll on his arm life.

Mardigras9 · 10-03-2012, 02:49 PM

What else do we have with no dedication to run. Of course, no dedication to the run because we are falling behind early. Then again, we are falling behind early because our defense can't stop the opposition. No choice of yet.

4thqtrsaint · 10-04-2012, 07:43 AM

Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?"

Kryptonite · 10-04-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

What else do we have with no dedication to run. Of course, no dedication to the run because we are falling behind early. Then again, we are falling behind early because our defense can't stop the opposition. No choice of yet.

The biggest issue with us falling behind early is that our defense gives up "UNANSWERED" points. After 3 or 4 straight 3 and out possessions we can find ourselves down 10 to 17 pts in no time. So, the offense puts itself in position to have to throw 54 - 60 times a game.

Yes, the defense has to stop the opposing team but Offense has to give them some rest. And it doesn't happen as often as it needs to.

Budsdrinker · 10-04-2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by 4thqtrsaint

Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?"

You just answered why Ingram isn't working. We only bring him in when we run. Until we let him come in for pass plays, defenses will stack the box on him. He is a pretty good pass blocker so why not keep him in on a few pass plays to keep the defenses guessing.

lumm0x · 10-04-2012, 10:56 AM

Agreed, we are so predictable in the run game. The only runs of note with any success were the toss play to Sproles vs. KC or the occassional over-achieving PT run where he breaks 6 tackles for a 8 yard gain. Our o-line makes no holes, gets no push off the line and we run the same plays dependent on our personnel in the game. When Ingram is in I know it's an A or B gap dive. When PT is in it's likely an off tackle run, and Sproles is 99% a screen or counter run. I have to agree that we need to make sure we start running unpredictable play calls in both rush and pass when unusual personnel is in. That was what made Sean payton so good.

TheOak · 10-04-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by 4thqtrsaint

Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?"

Ivory will get you 3.

Or bust his heart trying.

SaintsBro · 10-04-2012, 11:22 AM

Or Ivory will reach the ball out for the 3 and then fumble, LOL

10-03-2012, 02:11 PM	#1
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Think we figured out where the problem is... @CBSSaints #Saints interim coach Kromer: When Brees is playing like he did Sunday, he (Kromer) just tells OC Pete Carmichael to keep throwing it, play after play. REALLLY?!?!?! So instead of clock management when you're trying to hang on to the lead.....you are so in awe of your QB you lose sight of the bigger picture...WINNING THE DAMN GAME...and do s*** like throw 3 traight downs on the goaline!!! Sweet lord....

10-03-2012, 02:15 PM	#2
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10-03-2012, 02:25 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Do we want to break records or what? You know something.. I was looking at that earlier and even with all the drops we have had in the first 4 weeks, Drew is on pace to break 5400 yards again this year. And that is with a 57% completion. That has to be taking a toll on his arm life.

10-03-2012, 02:49 PM	#4
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... What else do we have with no dedication to run. Of course, no dedication to the run because we are falling behind early. Then again, we are falling behind early because our defense can't stop the opposition. No choice of yet.

10-04-2012, 07:43 AM	#5
4thqtrsaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 103	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?"
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10-04-2012, 08:39 AM	#6
Kryptonite DAMMIT BOY! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Crestview, FL via S'port LA Posts: 197	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Originally Posted by Mardigras9 What else do we have with no dedication to run. Of course, no dedication to the run because we are falling behind early. Then again, we are falling behind early because our defense can't stop the opposition. No choice of yet. The biggest issue with us falling behind early is that our defense gives up "UNANSWERED" points. After 3 or 4 straight 3 and out possessions we can find ourselves down 10 to 17 pts in no time. So, the offense puts itself in position to have to throw 54 - 60 times a game. Yes, the defense has to stop the opposing team but Offense has to give them some rest. And it doesn't happen as often as it needs to. SaintsBro likes this.

10-04-2012, 09:22 AM	#7
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Originally Posted by 4thqtrsaint Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?" You just answered why Ingram isn't working. We only bring him in when we run. Until we let him come in for pass plays, defenses will stack the box on him. He is a pretty good pass blocker so why not keep him in on a few pass plays to keep the defenses guessing.

10-04-2012, 10:56 AM	#8
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Agreed, we are so predictable in the run game. The only runs of note with any success were the toss play to Sproles vs. KC or the occassional over-achieving PT run where he breaks 6 tackles for a 8 yard gain. Our o-line makes no holes, gets no push off the line and we run the same plays dependent on our personnel in the game. When Ingram is in I know it's an A or B gap dive. When PT is in it's likely an off tackle run, and Sproles is 99% a screen or counter run. I have to agree that we need to make sure we start running unpredictable play calls in both rush and pass when unusual personnel is in. That was what made Sean payton so good.

10-04-2012, 11:03 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Think we figured out where the problem is... Originally Posted by 4thqtrsaint Yeah, we've tried running on first & second down. Its not working. Ingram, as much as I would love to see him suceed, gets 1-2 yds everytime. At best we'd be 3rd & 6, if we have no penalties. I'd like to see more sets with PT & Sproles... Both can block, both can run, both can catch. When you talk about mismatches, I think "who really matches up with those guys?" Ivory will get you 3. Or bust his heart trying.

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