Saints First Round Picks Since 2002

jcp026 · 10-07-2012, 07:50 AM

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

Danno · 10-07-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

Stallworth and Grant weren't awful, by a long shot.

jeanpierre · 10-07-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Stallworth and Grant weren't awful, by a long shot.

You really thought Grant was worth that extension?!? I wanted to throw up when I saw that news...

Danno · 10-07-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You really thought Grant was worth that extension?!? I wanted to throw up when I saw that news...

Deflection.

He said the pick was awful. That has ZERO to do with the extension.

jeanpierre · 10-07-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Deflection.

He said the pick was awful. That has ZERO to do with the extension.

Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization...

Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake...

Danno · 10-07-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization...

Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake...

Disagree completely. The overpay of Grant has NOTHING to do with the fact that he was NOT an awful 1st round pick.

That list you provided proves exactly the opposite of your conclusion.

FinSaint · 10-11-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization...

Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake...

Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that.

Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured.

It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay.

jeanpierre · 10-13-2012, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that.

Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured.

It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay.

And maybe there was a lesson from the Grant signing, aside from the fact there wasn't going to be much money left from the Brees signing, maybe they looked at Nicks as a guy who was going to put out after the Big Mo...

9thWardDesire · 10-07-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

Stallworth = Runs people over
Grant = Oversized Flavor Flav
Sullivan = "BFI" (Don't have to tell you what that means)
Smith = Stud
Brown = Stud
Bush = Inherited a crouded backfield that got even more crowded
Meachem = I'ight
Ellis = Waste
The other four = (Just as jcp026 said....)

voodooido · 10-08-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Stallworth = Awful
Grant = Awful
Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever.
Smith = Solid
Brown = Solid
Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA
Meachem = Not great.
Ellis = Hasn't been great.
Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out.

I can agree with most but Grant? Grant was a solid DE for us.

10-07-2012, 07:50 AM	#1
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10-07-2012, 03:14 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jcp026 Stallworth = Awful Grant = Awful Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever. Smith = Solid Brown = Solid Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA Meachem = Not great. Ellis = Hasn't been great. Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out. Stallworth and Grant weren't awful, by a long shot. FinSaint likes this.

10-07-2012, 03:16 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by Danno Stallworth and Grant weren't awful, by a long shot. You really thought Grant was worth that extension?!? I wanted to throw up when I saw that news...

10-07-2012, 03:17 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jeanpierre You really thought Grant was worth that extension?!? I wanted to throw up when I saw that news... Deflection. He said the pick was awful. That has ZERO to do with the extension.

10-07-2012, 03:19 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by Danno Deflection. He said the pick was awful. That has ZERO to do with the extension. Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization... Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake...

10-07-2012, 04:10 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization... Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake... Disagree completely. The overpay of Grant has NOTHING to do with the fact that he was NOT an awful 1st round pick. That list you provided proves exactly the opposite of your conclusion. Boutte likes this.

10-11-2012, 08:25 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Not deflection, goes to the continuance of a mistake in bringing that guy into the organization... Instead of acknowledging the mistake of drafting him he's offered an extension to make it look like he's invaluable to the team...Big Mistake... Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that. Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured. It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay. Danno likes this.
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10-13-2012, 11:56 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by FinSaint Grant was a good DE for a season or two, and he was playing like a 1st rounder during that time-span, but he declined rapidly and just didn't have the mental side to make a lasting impact. While you can and do naturally take the mental side into consideration when scouting players, it's a much harder thing to get right than the physical prowess of a certain player, so it's hard to blame the scouting department for that. Grant's extension was an overpayment for sure - given what we know now - and it was even more so damaging because it set a precedent for Will Smith to ask for an equally pricey extension when his turn came around... the contract he is on at the moment, although it was re-structured. It's pretty much the same thing with that contract as happened with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks - although Evans is on a completely different level than Grant and has earned his keep many times over - which basically set a precedent for Nicks that the Saints couldn't afford to pay him. And that is the one thing I criticize Loomis for: overpaying on extensions. Roman Harper is another example of this, and a definite overpayment. This is also why I was glad they let players like Meachem and Porter go elsewhere rather than overpaying them to stay. And maybe there was a lesson from the Grant signing, aside from the fact there wasn't going to be much money left from the Brees signing, maybe they looked at Nicks as a guy who was going to put out after the Big Mo...

10-07-2012, 07:11 PM	#9
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jcp026 Stallworth = Awful Grant = Awful Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever. Smith = Solid Brown = Solid Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA Meachem = Not great. Ellis = Hasn't been great. Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out. Stallworth = Runs people over Grant = Oversized Flavor Flav Sullivan = "BFI" (Don't have to tell you what that means) Smith = Stud Brown = Stud Bush = Inherited a crouded backfield that got even more crowded Meachem = I'ight Ellis = Waste The other four = (Just as jcp026 said....)

10-08-2012, 10:01 AM	#10
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,860	Re: Saints First Round Picks Since 2002 Originally Posted by jcp026 Stallworth = Awful Grant = Awful Sullivan = One of the worst picks ever. Smith = Solid Brown = Solid Bush = Got a ring in N.O., but produces more in MIA Meachem = Not great. Ellis = Hasn't been great. Jenkins, Robinson, Jordan, and Ingram = Jury is still out. I can agree with most but Grant? Grant was a solid DE for us.
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