Calvin Johnson Type Dreams ...
 

As a Saints Fan I have the rare opportunity to tune in watch a game and every few months or so watch a Top tier QB break every Passer Record Standing. It's exhilarating to witness a Man with Drew's Class accomplish so much after starting a possible shot NFL career in its face.

All in all I love this team so much , I really do.

I think I have brought the same issue up , well not necessarily an issue but ...
I think what I'm trying to say is this ...

If this is what Drew Can accomplish with Walk on Targets , Middle of the Road Talent ( Other than Graham & Sproles )

What could this Machine do with a Calvin Johnson ? It is mind blowing to me ... I know acquiring someone that good isn't that easy but ... What if we could lock in that kind of Player at WR ?

AJ Green
Julio Jones ( Eww )

ect ...

I think with that kind of weapon every record that hasn't fallen yet , would be in danger of falling in record timing.

I think more than not Drew Is Making Our Players Look Better than what they are. ( Meachem had a nice game )

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Well considering that all Matthew Stafford has to do is throw the ball within 10 yards of Calvin Johnson for a completion, regardless of double and triple coverage(See playoff game or last year's game vs cowboys), Drew + Calvin would be scary to watch.

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An impossible dream.

You can not have a good o-line +$ 100M QB and a +$150m receiver.

Salary cap prevents that and that's is the way it should be... If not, Calvin Johnson and Drew Brees would actually be playing on the same team.. It would be the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry can and would try and buy championships with out the cap.

We have what we have and it works. You cant guarantee Johnson and Brees would mesh well together. Brees is a timing QB, not a throw it and let the Receiver do all the work QB.. Routes have to be defined and run correctly. Johnson does his own work.

As a Saints Fan.. I am happy with the way our clock works...

"If it aint broke.... dont fix it".

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You're taking what we have for granted...

We have special receivers in Colston and Graham...

They're just different from all others...

And there's only one Megatron - now I ask you would you rather be Detroit and have him and Stafford or New Orleans and have Colston, Graham, Sproiles, Thomas, Henderson, Moore...

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I am sure there is a Detroit fan thinking to him self right now... "Man if we only had a Drew Brees.... " and someone just told him... go be a Saints fan if you want Brees.

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Teams that have the one big go-to receiver guy like a Megatron, Julio, Larry Fitzgerald type dude, the BIG #1 guy, those teams get "figured out" pretty easily in the playoffs. Heck, even a miserable Gregg Williams D could shut down Calvin Johnson in the playoffs, more or less. I would rather have the "too many weapons" approach and have all this crazy stuff with Sproles lining up in different places, Graham constantly coming in and out of the game, having a couple of really good guys instead of a real "#1" receiver, and then a bunch of faceless guys like Camarillo and Jed Collins that other teams can't possibly game plan for. That's darn near unstoppable.

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Also means when the 1 has a bad day... everyone has a bad day... When the 1 gets hurt... oh well.

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true that its better to have too many weapons than one incredible receiver

but GW's D couldn't stop calvin johnson, in the playoffs he burned us for 13 catches 230 yards and 2 td's

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How many Defenses stop Calvin Johnson? How many stop Drew Brees?

Some players are just that damned good no matter who they line up against.

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Yes a Calvin Johnson type would be good but with that type of $$$$ we can solidify the o-line get another Meacham type receiver etc and we can do this all because of the way Brees distribute the ball to the receivers, Devery can and still get deep but with another speedster along with Colston and Moore we can easily be back to 09 status.

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Everyone calls them weapons.

Give me an arsenal over one .50 any day.

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If our receivers could get seperation we might not be having this discussion.

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Funny, I was thinking something along that lines watching the game last night ... Colston, Henderson & Camarillo were putting on a show and I was glad the Saints were clicking in front of a national audience, but I remember thinking briefly, "What if Brees were throwing to Calvin?" ... I think I got dizzy or something because it was just too much to imagine, :lol:

Unfortunately, Brees/Johnson is a matchup we'll probably only ever see in a ProBowl, but all is not lost. Detroit compensates for it's lack of a 'Drew Brees' with 'MatFord' (that's my nickname for Matt Stafford) and New Orleans compensates for it's lack of a Calvin Johnson with (formerly) Robert Meachum and now Marques Colston ... I don't think either team is suffering that much for not having one or the other.

Colston's numbers are actually better than Johnson's at the moment:

-- Rec - Yds - Y/R - TD - Lng - R/G - Y/G

Johnson 29 - 423 - 14.6 - 1 - 51 - 7.3 - 105.8

Colston 28 - 444 - 15.9 - 4 - 40 - 5.6 - 88.8

New Orleans has a 'Calvin Johnson' & it's Marques Colston, and having Devery Henderson, Jimmy Graham, Greg Camarillo, Sproles & PT catching the ball around him makes him just that much more effective.

But yeah, Brees-to-Calvin ... I can see it now, 1,000yd/10 TD games become commonplace, Brees' record of consecutive games with a TD pass stretches into infinity (or at least to the end of his career), they rewrite the NFL rules book to try and contain those two (to no avail), Drew no longer has to strain to look over his O/L and pinpoint his receivers as Calvin's height/vertical leap enable him to put the ball just about anywhere in the vicinity for a catch ... it would be unreal, and unstoppable.

I'm getting dizzy again, :lol:.

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Colstons Numbers Are Better Than Megatron!!!!....Not Bad For A "Slow" Route Runner....Looks Like Another Case Of The Media Hype

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... well, mostly just in the TD department, :lol: ... no hype, there is only one MEGATRON, :mrgreen:.

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They Also Had Barry Sanders.....See Where That Got Them

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Got 'em a couple Division Championships, a few trips to the playoffs and the distinction of being the team that arguably the greatest running back ever played on ... after that, not so much.

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... note to self: Google 'Zoey in Mickey Mouse ears' to post pic at later date, :lol:.

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The money was spent on drew Brees being able to sculpt together his decent receiving core. We have an absolute freak, jimmy graham. We are very lucky to have scored him. If the front office doesn't offer him a early fat contract extension, I'm going to be livid. Graham is our closest megatron. Keep in mind this is only the starts of his THIRD nfl season. If he stays healthy, we could see him evolve into something amazing, which he's on the fast track for with brees behind the snap

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Hey I like Wayne. He's the reason I'm a closet Lions fan!

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Yeah, he was a pretty entertaining H/C, :lol: ... you bought yourself a reprieve, for now, :mrgreen:.

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Yeah I think even we under rate Colston. He's not Calvin Johnson but he does share one trait with him. Even when he's covered or double covered yoiu can still throw it to him and expect him to come down with the ball. It's a joke that when people discuss the best WRs in the league they never even mention his name.

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He has been playing really good so far.

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52 TD's over 7 seasons doesn't lie

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You're right, after comparing Colston's career stats to Calvin's, they compare favorably and you can argue it's an oversight not to include him that discussion.

They've both been in the league roughly the same amount of time, and even if you take away Colston's rookie season to compare them year-to-year, they still have similiar numbers. They both also rank closely among the top active receivers in all categories.

You learn something new everyday ... I always thought Colston was good, but when you break it down, he's even better then you originally thought. :mrgreen:.


Marques Colston NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Calvin Johnson NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

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Calvin Johnson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, type receivers are not Drew Brees type receivers. Those are play making opportunity type WRs.
E.G. Go out past the swingset and I will throw the ball so you can make a play. Those are big play receivers.

Drew is a QB that will make receivers that run strict routs and have excellent timing look great. He is an accurate timing QB. E.G. 10 yards cut left at 45 degrees the ball is released in 2.4 seconds and its nearly impossible to defend.

The Brees/Brady/Manning QBs thrive on "the ball will be delivered at x in 2.7 seconds, you better be there". Not "get open and I will throw it to you."

Having one on the team wouldn't be bad but that is not our bread and butter.

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Good point and something to consider when the inevitable, "Does the QB make the Receiver or does the Receiver make the QB" argument comes up.

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That discussion is never really played out like it should be. It is very much dependent on which QB and which Receiver.

Dallas is the perfect example of a lot of things.. Most importantly that a good team on paper does not mean they will work together like they should or be a good match.

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I see that now because I've never broke it down quite like that. Complicates the discussion, but in a good way, :lol:.

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It makes it an actual discussion and not just a statement in absolutes.

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Matt Ryan throwing to Julio is a perfect example of this. Watch some of those highlights of their deep ball. More than half the time Ryan is chucking it high up in the air, in an arc, and Julio just sorta runs to get underneath it, like a kick return. Or Roddy White will push off his man and then catch it all alone like a baseball outfielder. It looks completely apples-and-oranges different from a Brees deep ball.

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Speaking of receivers and Brees.... I wish our receivers would knock "some" of those behind thrown balls down. These tip interceptions are an absolute pain in the arse. Whasnt it Graham that tiped the interception? That ball was WAY behind him.