NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED

TheOak · 10-09-2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There has never been denying that there were payments for hard hits (cartoffs & knockouts). That does not mean anyone admitted to bounties (pay to injure/intent to injure). BIG difference.

MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now.

Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter.

However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart.

SmashMouth · 10-09-2012, 06:56 PM

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

If this is true, Vitt might be the next cart-off.

There is nothing new, Sarge. Vitt said there was a pay for performance program as he has stated since day one. There was one. But, he has continued to vehemently deny there was ever any program that had anything to do with intent to injure. Vitt is a good guy in all of this. A VERY good guy.

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now.

Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter.

However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart.

They had a program which included a reward for a player missing time in a game due a hard legal hit. A pay to injure program implies intent to injure. A pay for performance program simply rewarded, albeit still against the rules, a legal hit that resulted in a player leaving the game for a play or more. BIG difference there. The first implies targeting players, while the second describes players getting extra compensation for doing their job, albeit still against the rules.

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now.

Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter.

However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart.

But, it does matter. Because now the Vilma vs. Goodell suit can continue. Greeg Williams and Mike Cerullo have been served subpenas and must undergo direct examination by Vilma's attorney. Goodell had fought this tooth and nail, but later this evening I will try to post my theory on why this now may have changed.

By the way, that is called a tease.

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2012, 07:10 PM

And by the way, there has been no new information released today that wasn't already known. Nothing has changed beyond a couple of reduced suspensions.

TheOak · 10-09-2012, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And by the way, there has been no new information released today that wasn't already known. Nothing has changed beyond a couple of reduced suspensions.

That is correct!

Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy.

The team just doesn't need the distraction any more.

AsylumGuido · 10-09-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

That is correct!

Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy.

The team just doesn't need the distraction any more.

While this is true, Vilma also needs redemption and Goodell needs to be crucified and that can only happen if this all continues in court.

CharityMike · 10-09-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

That is correct!

Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy.

The team just doesn't need the distraction any more.

I find myself feeling the same way. I want Vilma to stick it to the a hole just because he is a douche. Other than that, we need to move on.

Radical · 10-09-2012, 07:23 PM

You still haven't explained to me Guido the difference between paying to injure and paying for cart-offs. I've never seen a non-injured player get carted off the field. It's like if I told you I was going to have you put in a body bag, but denying that it means I'm going to have you killed.

10-09-2012, 06:56 PM	#31
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There has never been denying that there were payments for hard hits (cartoffs & knockouts). That does not mean anyone admitted to bounties (pay to injure/intent to injure). BIG difference. MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now. Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter. However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka If this is true, Vitt might be the next cart-off. There is nothing new, Sarge. Vitt said there was a pay for performance program as he has stated since day one. There was one. But, he has continued to vehemently deny there was ever any program that had anything to do with intent to injure. Vitt is a good guy in all of this. A VERY good guy. SaintsBro likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by x626xBlack MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now. Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter. However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart. They had a program which included a reward for a player missing time in a game due a hard legal hit. A pay to injure program implies intent to injure. A pay for performance program simply rewarded, albeit still against the rules, a legal hit that resulted in a player leaving the game for a play or more. BIG difference there. The first implies targeting players, while the second describes players getting extra compensation for doing their job, albeit still against the rules. SaintsBro likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by x626xBlack MOOT they are ALL suspended for Conduct Detrimental now. Bounty/PFP/Nose hair.... Doesn't matter. However for the sake of your argument. Please clarify the difference between injure and having to be taken off the field on a cart. But, it does matter. Because now the Vilma vs. Goodell suit can continue. Greeg Williams and Mike Cerullo have been served subpenas and must undergo direct examination by Vilma's attorney. Goodell had fought this tooth and nail, but later this evening I will try to post my theory on why this now may have changed. By the way, that is called a tease. TheOak likes this.

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10-09-2012, 07:10 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED And by the way, there has been no new information released today that wasn't already known. Nothing has changed beyond a couple of reduced suspensions. SaintsBro likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And by the way, there has been no new information released today that wasn't already known. Nothing has changed beyond a couple of reduced suspensions. That is correct! Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy. The team just doesn't need the distraction any more.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by x626xBlack That is correct! Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy. The team just doesn't need the distraction any more. While this is true, Vilma also needs redemption and Goodell needs to be crucified and that can only happen if this all continues in court.

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED Originally Posted by x626xBlack That is correct! Honesty at this point I don't care what happens. Vilma is not healthy enough to play and Smith plays like he isn't healthy. The team just doesn't need the distraction any more. I find myself feeling the same way. I want Vilma to stick it to the a hole just because he is a douche. Other than that, we need to move on.

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Radical Falcons Fan Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 148	Re: NFL re-issues bounty disciplineUPDATED You still haven't explained to me Guido the difference between paying to injure and paying for cart-offs. I've never seen a non-injured player get carted off the field. It's like if I told you I was going to have you put in a body bag, but denying that it means I'm going to have you killed.
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