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• Celebrities who donated $1 million to help the cause include The Rolling Stones, actor George Clooney, singer Celine Dion, actor Nicolas Cage, comedian Jerry Lewis, and Beyonce's man rapper Jay-Z.
• Angelina Jolie sent letters to members of Congress and the White House, asking for increased efforts in the disaster relief. Angelina found herself shocked at the images coming from New Orleans, a city she has often referred to as being very close to her heart.
• John Travolta, a licensed pilot, flew to Baton Rouge with his wife Kelly Preston, carrying much needed food supplies and tetanus vaccines. The Scientologist couple then toured the flooded city of New Orleans and visited shelters and rescue workers. "What we've seen in the shelters is wonderful, because people are being taken care of. What we've seen in the city is disastrous," the actor said.
• Singer Macy Gray paid a visit to a camp in Houston, Texas and gladly handed out clothing and toiletries to those in need. "I just really wanted to help out. I think the most important thing to them is their futures. It is crazy when you don't know what is going to happen to you the next day," Macy said.
• TV host Oprah Winfrey decided to cut her summer vacation short to visit those affected by Hurricane Katrina. Oprah called on her friends including Julia Roberts and Jamie Foxx to help her bring hope to the victims of Katrina. Oprah said that she was shocked by the tragic situation she found in New Orleans and that nothing could have prepared her for it. "I was sitting at home feeling frustrated and useless, like so many other people, so I came down to personally assess how I could best be of service," Oprah said in a statement.
• Steven Spielberg, $750,000 to the American Red Cross and $750,000 to the Bush Clinton Fund
• Hilary Duff donated $250,000.
• Sean Penn rescued people using an occasionally leaky boat.
• Michael Jackson offered a song, “From the Bottom of My Heart”.

Along with a laundry list of NFL Athletes and professional sports figures.

Hurricane Katrina - Celebrities Who Helped After Hurricane Katrina

Celebrities contribute to Katrina relief - Wikinews, the free news source


It was the right thing to do... Not exactly something that the entire world wasn't not in line for.

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I don't like Eli Manning or John Elway. If you get drafted by a team in the first round, making you an incredibly wealthy man, I don't think its your place to ***** and moan about it but just shut the hell up and play football.

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Its just surreal to hear that on a Saints board. The first bubble gum card I had of the Saints was Archie. Archie was the Saints at one time. here:

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Man, all this hate on the Mannings. Really?

They are all wonderful people. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

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I was hoping to hear any of them publicly congratulate the fans after we won the Super Bowl. I know it had to be hard on the family to watch Peyton lose but they have realize what a great thing it was for the long and often suffering faithful to finally win it. You'd think at least Archie would have come forward.

But I don't hate on any of them. I still like Archie. Eli and Peyton I'm ambivalent towards.

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Just stop the fighting! I just can't TAKE it anymore! (over dramatized screaming)...I'm gonna be sick...(vomiting).

Ok...now what were we talking about? Oh yeah...the Mannings....Yes...I like Archie...Peyton and Eli...eh...I guess they're ok.

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I would have like to see Peyton a Saints. I think we all new that would never happen. I like both of them.

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Good post.
I don't see anyone hating the Mannings.
New Orleans is a big city, small town
It is easy to become a big fish in a small pond.
Archie Manning was picked and picked the Saints.
He did well then. He and his wife raised their family there.
Financially and everything, he did very well in N.O.
He would not have been able to perhaps in a big city, big town.
N.O. had The Jazz(basketball) and Saints.

I think Archie and Olivia Manning have lived with dignity. Raised their sons to be civil, non-scandalous. Archie and Olivia have been a big part of serving on boards and in fundraising activites for causes in N.O.

Just FYI, when I was in college and woprking at a store at Canal Place, this was about 1987,1988, Oliiva Manning was shopping in the store and had no attitiude, complaints, diva looks, nothing like that.
When you get to see someone in an informal, non-staged setting, you see the real person. There has never been any sort of bad thin gs said about them.

Peyton and Eli Manning have made the NFL exciting. Both are extremely talented. Elite qb's. Like them or not, they are exciting players. Both have good reputations in their off field lives. Both are charitable to causes like PM has been to Children's Hospital in TN.

Eli Manning was very unclassy at the draft when he showed he did not want to play for San Diego. There was nothing wrong with not wanting to go to San Diego, but out , on stage, not putting on the cap and everything was awful. All he needed to do was smile, holding cap, jersey, etc.
Eli, his managers, Archie should have handled all that behind the scenes. I was surprised they did all that nonsense in front .

PM should have congratulated DB after SB. All that nonsense about not wanting to steal DB's camera time, moment was BS.
SB is bigger than those who play on the teams. It is the NFL, fans , etc., photographers for SI, etc. wanted that picture. It was the thing to do and is always done.
PM looked like a sore loser.

Naturally, Archie and family favored their son and his team to win SB. One cannot fault him there. After Saints, won, he should have publically congratulated Saints orgainzation and things. I am not sure if he did, didn't. I cannot remember. Being in the Saints parade, no. That would have been a bit much for him to salute them like that when his feelings were with Colts.
Ok, two things, you can find fault with them on. Not so bad really . These things are marks on their reputations. Yeah, they seem spoilish. It is not a crime, but , just saying.

DB, like Archie, has said and I believe him, will raise his family in N.O.after his football days. Archie is like a mentor there to DB...helping the Brees' find a home...perhaps submitting his name to their clubs.... DB is wise to stay here and is like a made man. Big fish, small pond. He will have privacy for his family. Good schools, social life, head and be part of charitable causes, and yet he can work elsewhere in the NFL or color analysts.
Like Archie, DB and wife, are part of The Uptown N.O. , that world. There is nothing wrong with it. Just saying that is their world.

It was smart of PM and EM not to want to play for N.O. Saints. Both carved out their own team. The pressure of Saints, nah. Smart choices on their own. That was never their intent. Some N.O. fans always wanted that little , unrealistic fantasy.
Not choosing LSU, well, they are alumni's kids of Ole Miss. Many people go to their parents university.
PM going to univ. in TN , I think that fitted in more with his family, social life, and everything more than LSU.

All in all, I think people around here in LA like the Mannings or think they are so-so.
I think AM and DB are good ambassadors of N.O. , you know, helps put N.O. in a better light.

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I imagine if this was 10-20 years ago, WWLTV and other media would try to hype them up as being some elite player like they use to do with other teams players, Pro or College, they did it with Jake Delhomme some years back because he was from Louisiana.

But in reality, no one cares for the Mannings, doubt anyone cares for Delhomme.

Its all media created, Media like WWLTV and WDSU back in the day is what put the Saints so far back from having a successful team because Benson and the FO kept listening to their suggestions, mostly Buddy D, once Buddy D croaked, the Saints started Winning.

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Archie Manning got very little help during his beginning in New Orleans. Eventually, Hank Stram and Dick Nolan both pretty much understood that Manning is not a savior on his own, he needed help. Stram drafted Muncie and Galbreath and provided Manning with a lethal running game in 76, and in 78 Dick Nolan drafted Wes Chandler. By the time things turned OK, Manning in the 78 and 79 season put up his best numbers. Too bad the defense was so freaking horrible. Things were looking way up for Manning, then the team went through a horrible drug scandal and basically fell apart. 1980 was the 1-15 season and Buddy D invented the bags... Bum Phillips was hired in 81 and decided that Manning was through in New Orleans, that Manning did not fit his plans. As much crap as Bum took for that decision, it was actually the correct decision. Manning was washed up, never won another game in the NFL, with both Houston and Minnesota.

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I disagree that Bum was correct.

If I recall Bum was run out of town like everyone else who ever coached their.

If he was correct he would have at least made it to the NFC Championship without Manning.

It's not ALL media hype. It is somewhat media steered.

I'm from Abbeville/Lafayette, Jake went to USL the same time I did. It's a homeboy love. The day Jake signed with the Panthers a large % of people from the area became Panthers fans because they were homeboy fans, not Saints fans. There was a lot of hating of the Saints going on because the Saints "wouldn't give Jake a chance".

I'm a Saints fan, not a player fan. If Drew went to another team I wouldn't give two sh1tz about him. And no, I wouldn't view him as a traitor, he would just no longer be a Saint.

You are correct about the Saints hanging on to players because they were "their guy". Not because they were the best for the team.

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nice. Its good to have you on the B&G, Brina.

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Gotta take issue with that statement...

First problem was John Mecom, Jr - a spoiled, immature team owner who never showed responsibility in his life and nearly got Manning killed because of his limited vision at the box office and failure to invest in the team's success (surrounding Manning with talent) so that it could truly grow...

Second problem was Bum Phillips - who had no clue of what talent he had in Manning nor the insight to hire the staff around him to take advantage of what he had...

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Let me take a minute to explain why the Manning sons never considered going to LSU. Archie went to Ole Miss. The entire state of Mississippi was nuts about him. He became a folk hero in our state. LSU is the biggest rival outside of the state for Ole Miss. So obviously Cooper, Peyton and Eli could not attend LSU.
Peyton ended up at Tennesee because OleMiss was under NCAA sanctions and Billy Brewer has just been fired. So Peyton couldn't go to Ole Miss and couldn't go to LSU, so Tennesee was where he ended up. Cutcliffe was Peyton's offensive coordinator so when he became the head coach at Ole Miss, this made it a lot more attractive to Eli so he followed in his father's footsteps and there at Ole Miss, Eli was king. So now I hope y'all understand why no one in the Manning family went to or played for LSU and why none of their future offspring ever will.

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He never got much of a chance with those other teams, both of which were awful at the time, but as far as Him being washed up, just look at this at the 4:39 mark. There was plenty of gas in the tank.

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That play was awesome and I have seen it many times before. Manning was traded in 1982 after the 1st game of the season. Go check out the game logs for every game he played in after leaving the Saints and come to your own conclusion. To me, he was washed. Matter of fact his play in 81 was a steep decline compared to the 80 season.

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I didn't look, because I wanna guess first. I'm guessing it's the underhand toss to Renfro.

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Archie was a Saint QB and that's the love for him. Peyton and Eli are sidebars, don't really care what they have done football wise. They love the city of New Orleans and that's good with me.

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Archie did a lot for the city on NO. Then he has his kids, one a very good WR, and two QB's. This city, and state went and watched them in high school and supported them through out their careers until they went to college. Not one of them went to a LA school.

Now when you hear them talk, it sounds like they don't want anyone to know they're from LA. It's like they wish they didn't come from here. It's like they disrespect the way of life and culture of NO, and then when we beat Payton for the Super Bowl, some of our overzealous fans kinda started going off about it and putting Payton down because of all the slights against LA, Archie got upset about it. Well, on one hand I can understand Archie being upset about the way people were talking about Payton, but if Archie had stepped in earlier and told both of his sons that their condescending tone and comments about LA were uncalled for that may not have happened. I mean, when Katrina hit it was like it was a pain in the arse for them to come back and make the gesture of helping out their home town and you could see in their faces they didn't want to do it and you could hear it in their voices too, so that is where all the hostility from the LA fans comes from. They brought it on themselves.

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I would of thought they would play outside the SEC period to avoid competing with Ole Miss.

Thats what all the BS with the 2 Mannings is about in the NFL, Neither of them wants to be in the same conference competing against one another. Its why Eli said he wouldnt sign for the Chargers.

I would of thought they would avoid playing in the SEC unless it was for Ole Miss, to see Payton go to Tenn........now that was interesting altogether.

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Problem with Bum is he tried to make the Saints into the Oilers which were sorta successful in the 70s but failed to make the SB since Oakland and Pitt ruled that decade, to further the problem though, the players he kept bringing in from Houston was washed up by that point in time.

You see he basically did nothing to better the Saints, he tried to make them into the Oilers, which the Oilers never did anything either.

I wouldn't trade Drew for either or all of them.