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I have been sitting here this morning reminiscing...thinking about Ole Miss and the Archie days...and I started wondering about something.

Pre Drew Brees, Archie was Mr. Saint. He no longer holds that title. I have no animosity, as I am sure Archie does not either, because it is just the way the world turns. Things have a tendacy to change...but none of this is my point...just ramblin'.

Anyway, I remember the days before Archie was a Saint, and people in La. did not take too kindly to the kid. He had sort of a reputation for being a thorn in a certain Tiger's paw. Then he was drafted by the Saints...an organization that has a high percentage of LSU fans as their own fans. Something wasn't right about that picture.

Archie did win over a lot of the people of La...about as much as possible, I suppose. Then, Archie went on to being a father of 2 very talented QB's. Neither, however, were ever considered as a QB for the Saints. I could be wrong, but most fans that I speak to that are from NO absolutely despise Eli.

So...my question is this. Why? ...or...Am I wrong?? Is it an Ole Miss/LSU thing???

Just wonderin'...


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As far as for Archie... I am indifferent..

As far as for his whiny, tantrum throwing offspring. I could really care less about ever seeing or hearing of them again.

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Ohh...so it is the "not wanting to play for SD" thing? Are you from La.?

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The fact that they grew up in LA and never really considered LSU rubs me the wrong way. I do hate Ole Miss... And I have no idea how Peyton wound up at Tennessee. I find all three of the Manning QB's to be a group of stiffs. They lack personality, but are constantly on tv trying to manufacture some sort of image of being "humorous". And I agree with Black that Peyton and Eli tend to throw tantrums... Also, Eli sounds like a 5 year old.

Other than that, I'm a huge fan.

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WTF are you talking about. I could ask you the same question. If you are not familiar with the situation, then maybe just stay out of the conversation.

Oh...btw. SD stands for San Diego...the place Eli did not want to go.

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LB, I'm a Texan, so this post doesnt really count. This is an Exhibition Opinion.

Archie was the face of the Saints, and put the franchise on the map. There should be a statue of Archie outside the Superdome. There should have been a float in the Super Bowl Parade for the Mannings, even though Peyton was our opponent. Once XLIV was over, I was, again, a fan of
Peyton Manning. Im also happy for Eli Manning and his well deserved Super Bowl Rings. I hope people remember Cooper's exploits on the field, before he was forced to retire early. I hope he is successful now. And Olivia Manning has a graceful elegance befitting a First Lady.

Archie used to be the color commentator for Saints Radio, as his popularity was huge for years after he was traded to the Oilers. Also I remember a fan party -- the "Official Who Dat Fan Club-- who's president was Pete Fountain -- a fan party in the Hilton, Riverside--- huge ballroom, Benson was there shaking hands, so were the Saintsations. Well Archie showed up
to speak, and in 1988, fans still chanted "Archie! Archie! Archie!

The Mannings are a family of winners, and they represent the Gulf South well, starting with Archie. I would like to see Archie get the love and respect he deserves.

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I guess what I'm trying to find out is why nobody ever wanted either of Archie's kids to play for the Saints...or am I wrong about that. It is also possible that it is just a Manning thing. You either love 'em or hate 'em. So many people say the same thing regarding looks and demeanor. I just thought it was an interesting topic...that's all.

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I'm not from Louisiana but I love Peyton Manning, i mean he threw the game winning touchdown when the Saints won the superbowl.

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You are the one that took LA from someone else's post and ASSumed I posted it. Nuff said.

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:) :) :):cool:

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I bet you do. Have you been on this board before...possibly with another name? You remind me of someone.

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good question, good thread, interesting topic. Post on and dont worry.

Again, an Exhibition Opinion, being born in Houston, but I didnt want Archie's kids playing in New Orleans, because the expectation would have been so high, the
first time Peyton threw an interception / lost a game, and the crowd turns on
him--- that would have been heartbreaking. I remember Bobby Hebert, a Bayou kid himself, having a tough day, getting heckled by people who should have been his biggest fans. I would have gone to the Falcons and then did "airplane arms" too, after what he must have heard from the stands.

It sounded like a dream deal, Peyton to the Saints, but I just think the expectation would have led to needless stress.

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you dont like mannings-- thats cool.
LB doesnt like Bobby--
You're both full O' Crap... hahahaha, (:D at ya, LB!)
Archie Rules!

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No...that is totally wrong. You made a comment about the Manning boys throwing tantrums, and I merely asked you if it were the San Diego incident that you were referring to...because other than that, I can't recall any incidents of tantrum throwing. I consider someone like Rivers when it comes to tantrums...not any of the Mannings.

You took my comment as being argumentive when it wasn't...I was just trying to get you to be more specific and you took it as an attack, and I was curious to see if your opinion was one from a person from Louisiana. That is all.

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People did, there was some talk about it at the time...but mostly from kinda homeristic or simplistic fans, unrealistic fans, sentimental types, the kind I call the "bring back Darren Sharper" crowd today, the fans who wanted to re-sign Deuce as a running back and put him in for one play in the Super Bowl (and yes, I really did hear someone say that).... The Saints were middle of the pack at the time, 8-8, 7-9 type teams, not good, not especially bad, so they didn't really have a shot at drafting either of the Mannings anyway, it was never a very realistic scenario.

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Thanks for the feedback, Bro. I do believe you are correct when you mentioned that the situation never really presented itself...other than some sort of blockbuster trade, like Ernie Acorsi pulled-off in '04 to get Eli.

Who was QB for the Saints in '04...AB?

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A lot of drunk callers into Buddy D wanted it...let's put it that way. Peyton I know was during the Ditka era so stuff was all messed up, as far as what the team needed and what Ditka wanted and all that.

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I'm not a Manning fan at all. I have no loyalties to any of them. I wasn't a Saints fan when Archie played. I had no problem with Peyton until he walked off the field after the Super Bowl without acknowledging not even one Saints player to congratulate them. I thought it was poor taste from someone of his caliber. Some will defend him and say he's a competitor, he was upset, yadda, yadda. In my opinion, it was pretty unsportsmanlike. I haven't liked Archie or Eli since Eli was drafted. I won't elaborate anymore on that, because I've voiced my disdain over that situation a few times before a long time ago. My dislike of the Mannings doesn't really have anything to do with where they attended college.

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Thanks, D...and I do understand your dislike of Peyton's behavior and had forgotten. This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for, btw.

Don't take this as an attack, because I am just curious. (getting a little gunshy from asking questions :)) Are you old enough to remember what Elway did regarding the draft, and are you not an Elway fan today because of that...that is, if you remember?

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I remember Elway refused to play for Frank Kush/ Baltimore Colts. I dont know if anyone ever did that before, but it was not
taken to kindly by anyone, fans, anyone, even though the Colts were a terrible organization.... People thought Elway had no right to refuse the draft, and that he was a "brat." He was brutally knocked in games the first season, and everyone seem to applaud the beatings.

People for some reason didnt like Elway's teeth, thought he was smiling, or taunting opponents or something.... If you look closer, most of the time, it
was actually a grimace--- he was straining, or tightly focusing. The first time
I heard he refused the Colts draft, and would go to Baseball instead, I admit,
I didnt like him. Now, I think he's a good guy. Very happy he won SB rings.

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I'm in the minority in this because I was born and raised on the banks of the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge and I'm not an LSU fan. It is in my opinion that if a player didn't go to LSU and was a thorn in their sides when he played against them, fans in Louisiana don't like them. Personally I like it when all players that have Louisiana ties excel in the NFL. It's just weird who people from Louisiana will cheer for. I remember being at a Saints game against the Steelers in the 70's and majority of the crowd was pulling for Bradshaw because he was from La. I still believe the main reason for that is because he went to La Tech and was never a threat to LSU. And there was also 2007 when some people I know was pulling for the Colts because of Addai who is from Texas but went to LSU. I just think a lot of LSU fans base their loyalties and who they like solely on if they went to LSU or caused them heartbreak. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and who they want to cheer for. And if anyone doesn't like Eli for not wanting to go to San Diego, remember John Elway did the same thing.

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Great post!

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I loved Archie. He was one of the reasons I am a Saints fan. He was the best player on the team by a long shot and could've been a superstar on other teams, but he never complained, or at least never too loudly. Roger Staubach once said Archie was the best quarterback of his day. And the way he would get beat up and down every Sunday and yet came back week after week made me proud.
I'm very happy with the way things turned out, getting Drew and winning a Super Bowl, but back then, in the Billy Joe, Aaron Brooks days, I would've loved if either of his boys played for the Saints.

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No, I'm not really old enough. I'm only 36 and he was drafted 81? 82, maybe? I was a Steeler "fan", but I was only about 5 or 6 years old, so I am still really not aware of what Elway did. I'm not really a fan of his, though. I respect each of these quarterbacks for what they brought to the field, but not a fan of any of them.

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?Could you please make me feel a little bit older???

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Hmmmm. I was born the same year that the biggest mistake of a President, Jimmy Carter, was elected. Does that help? :p

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:)

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I like both Peyton and Eli. I have no reason not to. They play the game the right way and they're elite players which is a treat to watch on the football field. Whether or not they've from LA or MS, LSU or Ole Miss, really has no bearing on the way I feel.

Archie on the other hand, I don't really care for... but that's just because I never got to see him play. I really don't have a true sense of what he meant to this organization... or even to the game of football. The same goes with the rest of the old school football players. I try to have opinions on players that I can relate to... the players I've seen growing up.

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Thanks for the comments, and again, this is the kind of thing I am curious about.

Archie was persona non grata to Louisianians prior to becoming a Saint because of the fierce rivalry that existed between Ole Miss and LSU at that time. The rivalry has subsided considerably due to Ole Miss not being able to keep-up...but that's another story.

I am going strictly on memory here, so I may be mistaken with some of the facts, but it seems to me that LSU was always in the hunt for the national title, and I'm pretty sure that Archie and the Rebs upset them during his sophomore and junior seasons...with the latter inspiring a headline for the TP stating, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Superman...and he wears #18 or the Ole Miss Rebels!"

Archie broke his arm his senior year and I believe it was on the turf of the Astrodome against Houston. He was out for most of the rest of the season, but did come back against LSU with a cast from shoulder to wrist on his left arm. He led the Rebs to a TD early in the game, but eventually they were crushed by the Tigers that night.

So...that's a little of the history that led to LSU fans and Louisianians to not care for the redhead. I am not sure whether they ever got completely on board with Archie and his crew.

Good thread. I had a love/hate relationship w Archie. I remember yelling at the screen everytime he fumbled, threw an int, failed to convert 3rd down (that was a lot of yelling btw but I digress).

My point is that it wasnt until after Archie's career was over that I really appreciated what he went through while he was here. A million different coaches, surrounded by minimal talent (except during his pro bowl year), and then thrown away by Bum to the Oilers. All that while never complaining. Can you imagine how Cam or P Rivers wouldve acted in that situation? And now I think of how Brees handles himself under his current situation - ALL CLASS - which is the way he wouldve probably handled iti he were playing back in Archie's situation. That's why I live those 2 guys.

As far as Peyton or Eli, I never felt any loyalty to them and didn't care where they played. I have no negative feelings towards them - just indifferent. Not sure why it didn't matter except that I really don't start caring or rooting for a player until they actually become a Saint.

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I sometimes wonder if some of the generalized ragging on Roman Harper has something to do with this. Also Malcolm Jenkins who I believe played for Ohio State against LSU in the BCS Championship game. Not wanting to discuss those players here in this thread, but certain people do rag on these two Saints players, again and again and again, constantly. Repeat, I'm NOT WANTING TO DISCUSS THEM HERE, lol.

I have no real love for LSU in particular, but I do love it when LSU and Louisiana native guys do really well in the NFL. It's part of why I'm homeristic aboutTracy Porter (and I will say this, as an aside, Porter has kept his non-profit charity active in Louisiana, in spite of him moving to Denver, which people should like him for even if they don't like him as a player).

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I think it comes down to 2 categories.

1) People who like them because they are from La.
2) People who like them as football players

As for me, I can't stand the offspring. The love affair people have in this state for them is amazing considering they haven't done squat for this state!

As a football player, I love them. I love the game of football. I'm not going to hate them because they are not playing for the Saints. I love them for what they bring to the game as competitors.

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Pretty fair comment. I am a mix.. Origin doesn't matter to me.. indifferent. They are good football players, that cant be taken away from them. Their attitudes stink and I think they act like brats. If they are not in my face I am 100% indifferent, they have never done anything for me or to me. If I have to listen to the complaining from Eli, or see Payton throw a tantrum, I change the channel.

On the origin part... I have no allegiance to anyone from Louisiana that has no allegiance to Louisiana. Neither of them have shown any love for the state after High School.

I am not from new Orleans so I have never been subjected to Archie other than on the field, and I was 12 when he went to the Oilers.

I have met Archie once, in Destin Fl. He was walking down the beach with Cash that owned Cash's bar and night club. He he was a nice guy.

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They are both La. boys. Their father was the best football player ever for the Saints(at the time) and was the only bright spot on a crappy team. They sat in the stands and watched their father play and rooted for my team. I like them. They are both good at what they do and deserve at least my respect.(not that that says alot)lol
Also, I could care less if they didn't go to LSU.....ROLL TIDE!!!

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BAN!!!! :broccoli:

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BS, you're a Saints Fan!

Here! Here!

They're one of the first families of New Orleans!


He's still my favorite Saint!

Their generosity and support in the community is the standard for all good New Orleanians!

Great Post, Mike. Reflects the way many of us love and appreciate Archie and his family in South Louisiana.

:bng:

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ROFLMAO:airguitar:

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And I'll add that Archie and his sons are alike in that they loathe drawing attention to themselves for their charitable work - they do it for the right reasons...

And another thing, I have never met a more gracious celebrity in person in my life than Archie Manning; we all have dreams of being the star quarteback, well, I wanted to be like him as a person after having met him multiple times - just a great, great person...