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Old 10-12-2012, 06:52 AM   #1
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Re: Conspiracy Theory

Tobias/SaintsBro - Bounties are systemic. They have been part of the NFL for decades. To say all of this started in the NFC 2010 Championship game is to ignore that coaches/players/owners/Goodell/Rozell/Tagliabue all have known about them for many many years.

Redskins coach George Allen had a bounty on Cowboys QB Roger Staubach, former player says | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

Its also been known that Williams had bounty programs in Buffalo, and Washington. The league says they were cleared and found no evidence...
Washington Redskins, Buffalo Bills cleared in NFL bounty investigation, report says - ESPN

They mean no evidence except for confessions.
"A former Redskins coach and five players said Friday that the team’s defense under Williams had a system to reward players with cash for hits that knocked opponents from games. Former defensive end Phillip Daniels, now the Redsksins’ director of player development, defended Williams, saying the approach promoted “good, hard football.”
Report: Gregg Williams may have used bounty incentive while coaching NFL's Buffalo Bills, Washington Redskins - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

"“Let’s be clear: the reason that the Hogs did that Hogs Night Out poster...was, in the meeting after the game, Joe Gibbs would come in, he’d have a fistful of $100 bills,” Starke said. “And if Dexter knocked the quarterback down three times, he would get three hundred-dollar bills. And Joe would pass the money out in the meeting, and we would have to duck. "
George Starke: Joe Gibbs would hand out 100 dollar bills for hits on QBs - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

To say that because "its not on the internet" and no "internet indication" of investigations prior to the public announcement means you believe that the League has been completely honest and forth coming.

The bounty systems have been the publicly unspoken tabu at least since Roger Staubach played. The league needs something to defend them selves with in court so they can cover up covering up the known effects of concussions.

We were a scape goat, the sacrificial lamb.

Unless you can convince me of a reason why "all of a sudden" after over 40 years the NFL felt it was time to stop this I am not going to think other than my OP.

Unless you can convince me of what the Saints did that no one else has done to warrant them being singled out and have a season systematically destroyed.. I will not believe other wise.

With all due respect, saying its not on the internet or the NFL didn't say something is not reason to believe that it didn't happen or wasn't there.

Tobias- You sort of contradict your self here.
"The League says a lot of things, but we know they aren't necessarily true.
As of today, I have not heard any allegations, any accusations, any information that points to any alleged bounty on anyone prior to the Vikings game."

The source that you state is not a trustworthy source is being completely forthcoming? Lets be honest... ALL of the information that is our there was provided in whole or part by the league. They control the flow of information and or disinformation. I would put money on the fact that the league has skeletons in its closet we will NEVER know about. All corporations do.

The League has hand picked one team out of 32 to lay ALL of this on, roasting one team in 2012 for something that has gone on for over 40 years.

Why?

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:31 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Tobias/SaintsBro - Bounties are systemic. They have been part of the NFL for decades. To say all of this started in the NFC 2010 Championship game is to ignore that coaches/players/owners/Goodell/Rozell/Tagliabue all have known about them for many many years.
Oh, I agree. I explained myself poorly. I meant to say is that I don't believe there are any allegations or any accusations of bounties against the Saints in 2009-10 prior to the NFCCG.

I'm pretty sure they were bounties (and real ones) on guys like Thorpe or Grange.
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