Why Is the Defense So Bad?

mike27 · 11-05-2012, 01:09 AM

Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered.

When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

SaintsBro · 11-05-2012, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by mike27

Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered.

When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

True, so true. If even just a couple more of those 3 and outs in each game had been offensive drives that lasted a few plays-- and got a few first downs (not even necessarily scores) and changed field position, took time off the clock etc -- then this defense would not look NEARLY so terribly bad as it is, I guarantee you that. The D would be ranked in the middle or top of the back of the pack, and not dead last, and it would not look nearly so hopeless and anemic as it does now. And the team's record would be different, no question about it.

TheOak · 11-05-2012, 10:42 AM

This is definitely a year and a stat that should have an asterisk next to it.

Most horrible defense in history New Orleans Saints * All credit goes to Roger Goodell

neugey · 11-05-2012, 11:48 AM

The top concern should be OLB, perhaps even before the defensive line concerns.

A few weeks ago, I had the experience of watching a Vikings game (since many family members are Vikes fan) and then a Saints game and I will tell you that the difference in having a good OLB like Greenway on the field and not having one is visually very telling. Without decent OLB play you'll get gashed on the perimeters.

Danno · 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The top concern should be OLB, perhaps even before the defensive line concerns.

A few weeks ago, I had the experience of watching a Vikings game (since many family members are Vikes fan) and then a Saints game and I will tell you that the difference in having a good OLB like Greenway on the field and not having one is visually very telling. Without decent OLB play you'll get gashed on the perimeters.

And that is exactly where we're getting gashed.

TheOak · 11-05-2012, 11:56 AM

Shut down big play Safety...

Case: Sharper in 2009

This is a passing league now... LBs cant help much with WR...

jeanpierre · 11-05-2012, 08:10 PM

Patrick Robinson that's what you're supposed to do as a first round pick...

jeanpierre · 11-07-2012, 06:42 PM

Shady McCoy had at or near 100 RuYd at the half; he finished with 119 RuYd...

That's something...

jeanpierre · 11-10-2012, 07:16 AM

The Saints are gonna need loooonnnggg sustained drives that use the running game in a max effort because...

...if any team has been studying, prepping, and dedicating themselves to obliterating this defense, it is Atlanta...

We are gonna truly learn some things this week about the progress of the Saints defense and its future under Spagnuolo...

jeanpierre · 11-13-2012, 07:47 AM

Well...

it looks like the running game minimized the time of exposure of the defense on the field...

White looks like he may develop before the end of his first season - it's about time we get a DB to do that...

And they definitely rolled personnel over to minimize certain players in coverage...

And now Sedrick has started his new contract world tour - I'd still let his lazy @$$ geaux in the offseason - getting younger, hungrier defensive linemen...

We still gave up a ton of yards in the passing game despite some great plays by the backs in the end zone on late drives...

better, but we still have a lack of personnel...

View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much	10	16.39%
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11-05-2012, 01:09 AM	#1
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered. When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not.

11-05-2012, 07:11 AM	#2
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by mike27 Anytime the offense gives the ball away most of the time, three and out, or perhaps after a first down or two, and the defense is on the field most of the time, with the team set up as it is, especially against a good team, or quarterback, we're going to get murdered. When the offense starts performing, you'll see the defense do better also. No defense will be able to compete with this situation, unless they spent all their cap on the D, in which case the offense is likely to be pretty bad. The money is in the "O" at NO, like it or not. True, so true. If even just a couple more of those 3 and outs in each game had been offensive drives that lasted a few plays-- and got a few first downs (not even necessarily scores) and changed field position, took time off the clock etc -- then this defense would not look NEARLY so terribly bad as it is, I guarantee you that. The D would be ranked in the middle or top of the back of the pack, and not dead last, and it would not look nearly so hopeless and anemic as it does now. And the team's record would be different, no question about it.

11-05-2012, 10:42 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? This is definitely a year and a stat that should have an asterisk next to it. Most horrible defense in history New Orleans Saints * All credit goes to Roger Goodell

11-05-2012, 11:48 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,878 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? The top concern should be OLB, perhaps even before the defensive line concerns. A few weeks ago, I had the experience of watching a Vikings game (since many family members are Vikes fan) and then a Saints game and I will tell you that the difference in having a good OLB like Greenway on the field and not having one is visually very telling. Without decent OLB play you'll get gashed on the perimeters.

11-05-2012, 12:01 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by neugey The top concern should be OLB, perhaps even before the defensive line concerns. A few weeks ago, I had the experience of watching a Vikings game (since many family members are Vikes fan) and then a Saints game and I will tell you that the difference in having a good OLB like Greenway on the field and not having one is visually very telling. Without decent OLB play you'll get gashed on the perimeters. And that is exactly where we're getting gashed.

11-05-2012, 11:56 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Shut down big play Safety... Case: Sharper in 2009 This is a passing league now... LBs cant help much with WR... jeanpierre likes this.

11-05-2012, 08:10 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Patrick Robinson that's what you're supposed to do as a first round pick...

11-07-2012, 06:42 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Shady McCoy had at or near 100 RuYd at the half; he finished with 119 RuYd... That's something...

11-10-2012, 07:16 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? The Saints are gonna need loooonnnggg sustained drives that use the running game in a max effort because... ...if any team has been studying, prepping, and dedicating themselves to obliterating this defense, it is Atlanta... We are gonna truly learn some things this week about the progress of the Saints defense and its future under Spagnuolo...

11-13-2012, 07:47 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Well... it looks like the running game minimized the time of exposure of the defense on the field... White looks like he may develop before the end of his first season - it's about time we get a DB to do that... And they definitely rolled personnel over to minimize certain players in coverage... And now Sedrick has started his new contract world tour - I'd still let his lazy @$$ geaux in the offseason - getting younger, hungrier defensive linemen... We still gave up a ton of yards in the passing game despite some great plays by the backs in the end zone on late drives... better, but we still have a lack of personnel...
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