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pherein 10-23-2012 09:21 PM

Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 451522)
This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis...

Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September

ITs is very possible that our defensive talent scouts really suck, as oppose to the offensive ones. I do agree that we have signed and drafted the wrong players on defense a lot.

For some reason all the brilliance seems to be on offense and we cant miss with players. While defense is consistent at under performing in most categories.

jeanpierre 10-23-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 451533)
Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts.

If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?

pherein 10-23-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 451541)
If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?

well my understanding is we pay roll defensive talent scouts for college and NFL, but the DC decides who he wants and then cross checks with loomis on cap.

As an example
How to Rebuild the New Orleans Saints Defense | Bleacher Report
""""Next up on the defensive rebuilding checklist is adding playmakers. The Saints scouting department has to identify playmakers at all three levels; defensive line, linebacker and secondary."""

QBREES9 10-23-2012 10:09 PM

Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?
 
Takes time to learn a new Defense

pherein 10-23-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 451554)
Takes time to learn a new Defense

I agree, I am keeping my opinion in check until after game 8, thats usually enough time. I think game 9 we see what we are suck with the rest of the way.

jeanpierre 10-23-2012 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 451554)
Takes time to learn a new Defense

Yes sir it does (and Thank You for the avatar); and there's an evaluation as well as to whether or not we are getting the most from the personnel that are being paid...

jcp026 10-24-2012 12:51 AM

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There should be an "All of the Above" option.

MatthewT 10-24-2012 01:33 AM

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I am not totally buying the new defensive scheme theory, but it is a factor for sure. Spags had some complete freaks in New York, what I mean by that is the front four he had was over the top. In most cases, teams will not find four guys who can get after the QB when they are going up against a minimum of five, throw in a TE and RB to help and it can easily roll to a 7 on 4 drill.

What Spags needs to realize is he doesn't have the dominating front four he had in the past, and needs to adjust accordingly. Good coordinators always adjusts schemes for the personnel they have available. I do see some signs that Spags is adjusting somewhat, we shall see if he figures out a way to at a very least hold opposing offenses to closer to 20 points rather than closer to 30 points per game. And that 500 plus yards given up on a regular basis, geez.

I am not really suggesting at this point Spags should be fired, but he seriously needs that squad to turn things around in a big way this year. If improvement is not made I doubt he sees year 2. The Saints window of opportunity is quickly closing on the offense. Saints need to win now while they still have a lethal offense.

jeanpierre 10-24-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 451575)
...Spags needs to realize is he doesn't have the dominating front four he had in the past, and needs to adjust accordingly. Good coordinators always adjusts schemes for the personnel they have...I do see some signs that Spags is adjusting somewhat, we shall see...

...not really suggesting at this point Spags should be fired, ...If improvement is not made I doubt he sees year 2. The Saints window of opportunity is quickly closing on the offense....

Agreed. I believe he's a a very solid coordinator, but he's got major personnel issues, or lack thereof; regardless, this last placed defense (statistical ranking) may not tolerate or allow for another season...

Spags buys himself another season if he starts or increases playing time of younger players like Wilson, Hicks; if there's some improvement, he can point to personnel issues and maybe the onus finally gets put on the sorry scouting drafting job done in the upper rounds of the draft the past ten years...:bng:

dizzle88 10-24-2012 08:06 AM

Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?
 
We have really low end DB's except for Greer

How Patrick Robinson was drafted in the first round confuses me to no end, we messed up with that

Corey white should not be starting

Our DB's aren't that smart, they don't seem to understand zone coverage means you should not follow your man wherever he goes, you lead him to your teammates zone

Our players constantly mix up zone coverage with man coverage, take a look at underwoods TD vs us on Sunday, casillas followed the TE like he was in man coverage and underwood came from the opposite side straight into where casillas was SUPPOSED to be, BUT he had mistakenly followed the TE

two men followed the TE led to underwood being wide open


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