Why Is the Defense So Bad?

TheOak · 11-02-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

But how can you do that when Harper is still owed $6M is guaranteed money?

His cap hit for 2013 will be $7.1M, so after doing the math - there's no "quality impact player" than can be had for the savings made by cutting him.

After next season, he can be cut without any salary cap penalties and he would also be more attractive as a trade-bait in order to get something for him.

Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money?

Danno · 11-02-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money?

Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
2011 1,900,000 1,750,000 - 3,650,000
2012 4,500,000 1,750,000 100,000 6,350,000
2013 5,250,000 1,750,000 100,000 7,100,000
2014 6,000,000 1,750,000 150,000 7,900,000

Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions

He's count 3.75 mill against the cap if we cut him next year.

But why in the world would you cut your 3rd best player on defense?

Only a fool would cut him. As with every position you bring in competition and if he gets beat out, cut him. If not you keep him. Harper is far from being a main problem on this defense. Thats absurd. Hell this year a case could be made that he's our best DB and with Greer hobbled maybe our 2nd best player on Defense now behind Lofton.

FinSaint · 11-02-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money?

spotrac.com

Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions

They list Harper's contract - which he signed last offseason - including $16M in guaranteed money from which the Saints have only paid him $10M at the end of this year.

Naturally, he has been paid more in real life, since the prorated signing bonus was already paid in full to him, so he has been paid $3.5M more, but I do recall them still having to count for that in salary cap penalties if he is cut now.

I could be wrong.

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Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
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11-02-2012, 08:13 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by FinSaint But how can you do that when Harper is still owed $6M is guaranteed money? His cap hit for 2013 will be $7.1M, so after doing the math - there's no "quality impact player" than can be had for the savings made by cutting him. After next season, he can be cut without any salary cap penalties and he would also be more attractive as a trade-bait in order to get something for him. Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money?

11-02-2012, 08:21 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money? Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit 2011 1,900,000 1,750,000 - 3,650,000 2012 4,500,000 1,750,000 100,000 6,350,000 2013 5,250,000 1,750,000 100,000 7,100,000 2014 6,000,000 1,750,000 150,000 7,900,000 Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions He's count 3.75 mill against the cap if we cut him next year. But why in the world would you cut your 3rd best player on defense? Only a fool would cut him. As with every position you bring in competition and if he gets beat out, cut him. If not you keep him. Harper is far from being a main problem on this defense. Thats absurd. Hell this year a case could be made that he's our best DB and with Greer hobbled maybe our 2nd best player on Defense now behind Lofton.

11-02-2012, 11:57 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Where are you getting Harpers cap hit, and Still owed guaranteed money? spotrac.com Roman Harper Contract, Salaries, and Transactions They list Harper's contract - which he signed last offseason - including $16M in guaranteed money from which the Saints have only paid him $10M at the end of this year. Naturally, he has been paid more in real life, since the prorated signing bonus was already paid in full to him, so he has been paid $3.5M more, but I do recall them still having to count for that in salary cap penalties if he is cut now. I could be wrong.

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