Resign please spags

Danno · 10-29-2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Spags is not going anywhere. Even if he was the problem, With no HC, or Gm who would do that. No One will...
Now as far as talent goes, clean house. We have a lot of trash, and I mean A LOT! This can be done, we have done it before and will do it again. I think SP has seen enough of this. I believe once he is back next year, things will change no doubt!!!

Which players do you consider trash? Are you referring to starters who wouldn't even make decent backups?

We have enough talent as is to be middle of the pack IMO. 3 or 4 key additions and we're in the 10-15 range easily.

Ashley · 10-29-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Which players do you consider trash? Are you referring to starters who wouldn't even make decent backups?

We have enough talent as is to be middle of the pack IMO. 3 or 4 key additions and we're in the 10-15 range easily.

Danno I usually agree with you on just about everything, but with Alabama. But you really think we have talent? Who. In my eye I only see just a few. I think we only have one lb. You should know who I am referring too. On the line who do you think? Smith is old and is in the past. Hicks is the only one I like up there. Your going to say Cam Jordan, he is good but is not playing like a first round. Aldon Smith is playing like a first round pick. Yes he was the 7th pick over all. But Cam was 24th. Huge difference, yes they are not the same style player. They are both ends and both first round picks. SO lets keep him.
Now in the Back field I only like Greer and Johnny Patrick, the rest are what they are trash. Corey white maybe. Safeties ??? I do like Harper but slow and not the best in coverage.
I know we cant drop them all, but I am just pissed about all the 1st rounders we have back there that are not playing like 1st rounders.
I know that Harper was not a first and some of the other ones I am talking about are not. But this team needs more than just a few to be in the middle of the pack

Danno · 10-29-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

Danno I usually agree with you on just about everything, but with Alabama. But you really think we have talent? Who. In my eye I only see just a few. I think we only have one lb. You should know who I am referring too. On the line who do you think? Smith is old and is in the past. Hicks is the only one I like up there. Your going to say Cam Jordan, he is good but is not playing like a first round. Aldon Smith is playing like a first round pick. Yes he was the 7th pick over all. But Cam was 24th. Huge difference, yes they are not the same style player. They are both ends and both first round picks. SO lets keep him.
Now in the Back field I only like Greer and Johnny Patrick, the rest are what they are trash. Corey white maybe. Safeties ??? I do like Harper but slow and not the best in coverage.
I know we cant drop them all, but I am just pissed about all the 1st rounders we have back there that are not playing like 1st rounders.
I know that Harper was not a first and some of the other ones I am talking about are not. But this team needs more than just a few to be in the middle of the pack

I think adding a stud DE, 2 OLB' and another CB and this defense can definitely finish in the 10-15 range.

When I hear trash, I think of players who wouldn't even be in the league if we cut them. We only have a couple of those.

Will Smith is grossly overpaid, but certainly not trash. I think Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, Lofton, Vilma, Greer, Smith and Harper are all above average players.

I think Jenkins and Robinson still have potential, although I am losing faith in both.

The only starting players I think are below average are Ellis and Shanle, and whoever starts opposite Shanle (Casillas, Hawthorne etc).

FinSaint · 10-29-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think adding a stud DE, 2 OLB' and another CB and this defense can definitely finish in the 10-15 range.

Will Smith is grossly overpaid, but certainly not trash. I think Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, Lofton, Vilma, Greer, Smith and Harper are all above average players.

I think Jenkins and Robinson still have potential, although I am losing faith in both.

Will Smith overpaid?!

While this season his cap hit is "only" $5,4M, it'll be much worse for the upcoming seasons. His cap hit for next season will be $14,5M and for 2014 it'll be $13,9M, and that is definitely an outrageous overpayment.

The problem is also that only Ellis and Shanle are going to be FAs after this season from the "problem players" most of us have identified, so I'm not sure how big of a difference a season will bring to this defensive roster.

Casillas, Galette, and McBride are the only other defensive UFAs come next offseason, from the players who actually see some playing time. So, either they're going to keep this defensive roster largely intact for next season or the front office is going to have to pull off some really awesome trade-magic from out of nowhere... or they're going to have to cut some players with remaining guaranteed money on their contracts in order to make some room for new additions, but how would they then pay those new guys?! Any way you look at it, it's going to be very difficult to blow up this defensive roster or even have a significant amount of turnover for the next couple of seasons.

10-29-2012, 06:17 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by Ashley Spags is not going anywhere. Even if he was the problem, With no HC, or Gm who would do that. No One will... Now as far as talent goes, clean house. We have a lot of trash, and I mean A LOT! This can be done, we have done it before and will do it again. I think SP has seen enough of this. I believe once he is back next year, things will change no doubt!!! Which players do you consider trash? Are you referring to starters who wouldn't even make decent backups? We have enough talent as is to be middle of the pack IMO. 3 or 4 key additions and we're in the 10-15 range easily.

10-29-2012, 06:42 PM	#2
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by Danno Which players do you consider trash? Are you referring to starters who wouldn't even make decent backups? We have enough talent as is to be middle of the pack IMO. 3 or 4 key additions and we're in the 10-15 range easily. Danno I usually agree with you on just about everything, but with Alabama. But you really think we have talent? Who. In my eye I only see just a few. I think we only have one lb. You should know who I am referring too. On the line who do you think? Smith is old and is in the past. Hicks is the only one I like up there. Your going to say Cam Jordan, he is good but is not playing like a first round. Aldon Smith is playing like a first round pick. Yes he was the 7th pick over all. But Cam was 24th. Huge difference, yes they are not the same style player. They are both ends and both first round picks. SO lets keep him. Now in the Back field I only like Greer and Johnny Patrick, the rest are what they are trash. Corey white maybe. Safeties ??? I do like Harper but slow and not the best in coverage. I know we cant drop them all, but I am just pissed about all the 1st rounders we have back there that are not playing like 1st rounders. I know that Harper was not a first and some of the other ones I am talking about are not. But this team needs more than just a few to be in the middle of the pack spkb25 and Rell&Gold like this.
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10-29-2012, 08:58 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by Ashley Danno I usually agree with you on just about everything, but with Alabama. But you really think we have talent? Who. In my eye I only see just a few. I think we only have one lb. You should know who I am referring too. On the line who do you think? Smith is old and is in the past. Hicks is the only one I like up there. Your going to say Cam Jordan, he is good but is not playing like a first round. Aldon Smith is playing like a first round pick. Yes he was the 7th pick over all. But Cam was 24th. Huge difference, yes they are not the same style player. They are both ends and both first round picks. SO lets keep him. Now in the Back field I only like Greer and Johnny Patrick, the rest are what they are trash. Corey white maybe. Safeties ??? I do like Harper but slow and not the best in coverage. I know we cant drop them all, but I am just pissed about all the 1st rounders we have back there that are not playing like 1st rounders. I know that Harper was not a first and some of the other ones I am talking about are not. But this team needs more than just a few to be in the middle of the pack I think adding a stud DE, 2 OLB' and another CB and this defense can definitely finish in the 10-15 range. When I hear trash, I think of players who wouldn't even be in the league if we cut them. We only have a couple of those. Will Smith is grossly overpaid, but certainly not trash. I think Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, Lofton, Vilma, Greer, Smith and Harper are all above average players. I think Jenkins and Robinson still have potential, although I am losing faith in both. The only starting players I think are below average are Ellis and Shanle, and whoever starts opposite Shanle (Casillas, Hawthorne etc).

10-29-2012, 10:12 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Resign please spags Originally Posted by Danno I think adding a stud DE, 2 OLB' and another CB and this defense can definitely finish in the 10-15 range. Will Smith is grossly overpaid, but certainly not trash. I think Jordan, Bunkley, Hicks, Lofton, Vilma, Greer, Smith and Harper are all above average players. I think Jenkins and Robinson still have potential, although I am losing faith in both. Will Smith overpaid?! While this season his cap hit is "only" $5,4M, it'll be much worse for the upcoming seasons. His cap hit for next season will be $14,5M and for 2014 it'll be $13,9M, and that is definitely an outrageous overpayment. The problem is also that only Ellis and Shanle are going to be FAs after this season from the "problem players" most of us have identified, so I'm not sure how big of a difference a season will bring to this defensive roster. Casillas, Galette, and McBride are the only other defensive UFAs come next offseason, from the players who actually see some playing time. So, either they're going to keep this defensive roster largely intact for next season or the front office is going to have to pull off some really awesome trade-magic from out of nowhere... or they're going to have to cut some players with remaining guaranteed money on their contracts in order to make some room for new additions, but how would they then pay those new guys?! Any way you look at it, it's going to be very difficult to blow up this defensive roster or even have a significant amount of turnover for the next couple of seasons.
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