Is our window closed?

The Dude · 10-29-2012, 01:25 PM

For years we have tried to build a solid D, but bad draft decisions and big contracts on offense have hindered us in doing so. Hell we have tried for over 10 years and have not accomplished squat. Our offense is noticeably worse this year, and I don't see it getting any better without some major upgrades. We have serious work to do on the line and some of our WR aren't getting any younger. Devery is getting up there and I don't think Morgan is a long term solution for the deep threat. TE is another position. We have Graham, who has issues of his own this year, but after him there is a huge drop off. Lastly we have the Messaiahs huge contract handcuffing us so we can't make any upgrades.

Danno · 10-29-2012, 01:33 PM

If you follow the blueprint for success the window never closes.

Address weaknesses with moderately priced free-agents, and draft the best player available.

Marlboro Man · 10-30-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you follow the blueprint for success the window never closes.

Address weaknesses with moderately priced free-agents, and draft the best player available.

This ^^^

TheOak · 10-29-2012, 01:39 PM

I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years.

CharityMike · 10-29-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years.

Agree. I keep banging a worn out drum but why with 1st round investments that we have on D, do we not get results? What is the constant in that? THE POSITION COACHS!! Why are they still here?

D Line coach

LB'er coach

D scout

Danno · 10-29-2012, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years.

Disagree totally. We hired GW and Payton pulled an extra 1/4 million out of his own pocket to do it. An extremely expensive hire. Spags was not cheap either.

We brought in numerous free-agents who were not cheap, Franklin, Rogers, Lofton, Greer, and Bunkley.

We traded 2 picks to land Vilma.

Since 2006 we drafted 12 players in the top half (1st thru 4th) of the draft including four 1st rounders out of seven.

In 2011 we drafted 5 defensive players and only 1 offensive.
In 2009 all 4 picks were on defense.

Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players.

Mardigras9 · 10-29-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players.

Guess we just got luckier with the offensive players.

Danno · 10-29-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Guess we just got luckier with the offensive players.

No doubt we hit on more offensive players, but we've certainly tried to address the defense with coaches, draft picks and free-agents.

jeanpierre · 10-30-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

No doubt we hit on more offensive players, but we've certainly tried to address the defense with coaches, draft picks and free-agents.

No question the effort has been there; it's now at the point of incompetence...

One ProBowl in all those draft picks - you could have a better draft from the consensus of this website than what's been done on defense...

TheOak · 10-29-2012, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Disagree totally. We hired GW and Payton pulled an extra 1/4 million out of his own pocket to do it. An extremely expensive hire. Spags was not cheap either.

We brought in numerous free-agents who were not cheap, Franklin, Rogers, Lofton, Greer, and Bunkley.

We traded 2 picks to land Vilma.

Since 2006 we drafted 12 players in the top half (1st thru 4th) of the draft including four 1st rounders out of seven.

In 2011 we drafted 5 defensive players and only 1 offensive.
In 2009 all 4 picks were on defense.

Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players.

All of that was spread out over 6 years, Lofton was brought in to replace Vilma... Its like duct tape patching a tire with a hole in it... We need to take one year and completely clean house, instead of replacing 4 people we keep 4 people and replace the rest....

wait... let me rephrase this entire rebuttal.

If after 6 years of an honest thorough complete rebuilding of our defense the best we can pull off is setting records for yards allowed we need to stop trying because we are "doing it all wrong".

Furthermore, the person that masterminded our prolific offense cant be the same person that masterminded this porous defense. If they are in deed two different people they should never be allowed to sit together on the bus.

I have another item i will post in the mid season thread because it doesn't fit here as well.

10-29-2012, 01:25 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Is our window closed? For years we have tried to build a solid D, but bad draft decisions and big contracts on offense have hindered us in doing so. Hell we have tried for over 10 years and have not accomplished squat. Our offense is noticeably worse this year, and I don't see it getting any better without some major upgrades. We have serious work to do on the line and some of our WR aren't getting any younger. Devery is getting up there and I don't think Morgan is a long term solution for the deep threat. TE is another position. We have Graham, who has issues of his own this year, but after him there is a huge drop off. Lastly we have the Messaiahs huge contract handcuffing us so we can't make any upgrades.
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10-29-2012, 01:33 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Is our window closed? If you follow the blueprint for success the window never closes. Address weaknesses with moderately priced free-agents, and draft the best player available. Halo, Marlboro Man, st thomas and 3 others like this.

10-30-2012, 08:04 PM	#3
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by Danno If you follow the blueprint for success the window never closes. Address weaknesses with moderately priced free-agents, and draft the best player available. This ^^^

10-29-2012, 01:39 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Is our window closed? I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years. Rell&Gold likes this.

10-29-2012, 02:17 PM	#5
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by x626xBlack I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years. Agree. I keep banging a worn out drum but why with 1st round investments that we have on D, do we not get results? What is the constant in that? THE POSITION COACHS!! Why are they still here? D Line coach LB'er coach D scout Ashley likes this.

10-29-2012, 02:52 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by x626xBlack I disagree... We have never made an honest attempt at building a solid D.. At lease not in the last 8 years. Disagree totally. We hired GW and Payton pulled an extra 1/4 million out of his own pocket to do it. An extremely expensive hire. Spags was not cheap either. We brought in numerous free-agents who were not cheap, Franklin, Rogers, Lofton, Greer, and Bunkley. We traded 2 picks to land Vilma. Since 2006 we drafted 12 players in the top half (1st thru 4th) of the draft including four 1st rounders out of seven. In 2011 we drafted 5 defensive players and only 1 offensive. In 2009 all 4 picks were on defense. Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players. Halo, DrewDat and Jamessr like this.

10-29-2012, 02:55 PM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by Danno Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players. Guess we just got luckier with the offensive players.

10-29-2012, 02:57 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Guess we just got luckier with the offensive players. No doubt we hit on more offensive players, but we've certainly tried to address the defense with coaches, draft picks and free-agents.

10-30-2012, 11:10 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by Danno No doubt we hit on more offensive players, but we've certainly tried to address the defense with coaches, draft picks and free-agents. No question the effort has been there; it's now at the point of incompetence... One ProBowl in all those draft picks - you could have a better draft from the consensus of this website than what's been done on defense... Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-29-2012, 04:10 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Is our window closed? Originally Posted by Danno Disagree totally. We hired GW and Payton pulled an extra 1/4 million out of his own pocket to do it. An extremely expensive hire. Spags was not cheap either. We brought in numerous free-agents who were not cheap, Franklin, Rogers, Lofton, Greer, and Bunkley. We traded 2 picks to land Vilma. Since 2006 we drafted 12 players in the top half (1st thru 4th) of the draft including four 1st rounders out of seven. In 2011 we drafted 5 defensive players and only 1 offensive. In 2009 all 4 picks were on defense. Since Payton arrived we've drafted 21 defensive players and 20 offensive players. All of that was spread out over 6 years, Lofton was brought in to replace Vilma... Its like duct tape patching a tire with a hole in it... We need to take one year and completely clean house, instead of replacing 4 people we keep 4 people and replace the rest.... wait... let me rephrase this entire rebuttal. If after 6 years of an honest thorough complete rebuilding of our defense the best we can pull off is setting records for yards allowed we need to stop trying because we are "doing it all wrong". Furthermore, the person that masterminded our prolific offense cant be the same person that masterminded this porous defense. If they are in deed two different people they should never be allowed to sit together on the bus. I have another item i will post in the mid season thread because it doesn't fit here as well.
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