Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense

TheOak · 10-30-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Start by watching game tape of Greg Williams defenses and start using that model...blitz like a wild man.

Good point, it wasn't a style it was a model.... Organized chaos.

GW is not a better defensive coordinator than Spags just smarter, and since Spags admitted he had a lot better talent its possibly the players that made Spags and not Spags that made the players.

GW realized what he had, and FOUND a way to make it work out.... The Bountys were like PCP... super charge a bunch of players and they become more difficult to handle.

Explains Fujita leaving.

At the end of the day the reality is that our defense is just bad... A few decent players but as a whole unit its awful... The only way it has any success is to confuse QBs and blitz with so many people that WRs have to pass block.

FinSaint · 10-30-2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Good point, it wasn't a style it was a model.... Organized chaos.

GW is not a better defensive coordinator than Spags just smarter, and since Spags admitted he had a lot better talent its possibly the players that made Spags and not Spags that made the players.

GW realized what he had, and FOUND a way to make it work out.... The Bountys were like PCP... super charge a bunch of players and they become more difficult to handle.

Explains Fujita leaving.

At the end of the day the reality is that our defense is just bad... A few decent players but as a whole unit its awful... The only way it has any success is to confuse QBs and blitz with so many people that WRs have to pass block.

GW had quite a few more drafts and offseasons to get players he liked and suited his scheme to come down to New Orleans. Now, Spags has to try and make that personnel, which GW largely brought in, to work for him in a very different scheme than what perhaps their natural abilities are suited for.

So, it's all still very relative, and I would definitely not call GW a smarter DC than Spags when everyone in the building knew that GW was going to blitz and then he do it again, again, again, again, and again. Have you forgotten all the big plays GW's defense allowed during the past couple of season?!

Spags is just being honest about the situation, and the feeling I got from his press conference was that when he was saying that he didn't know how to fix the problem(s) at this point in time... he was referring to the fact that at times the defense - even on this Sunday - shows flashes of being a good defense, but then it all inexplicably falls apart a few moments later. That might be something that is very hard to fix or even to figure out where to begin fixing it, since the season is half way over and big personnel changes are no longer really possible.

I don't know, it's all very disappointing since I really thought that the defense would be a top 15 caliber defense this year with Spags as the DC, but I for one will still defend the guy and the job he is doing.

st thomas · 10-30-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Start by watching game tape of Greg Williams defenses and start using that model...blitz like a wild man.

it may be the only thing that saves the season, revert to 2011 de. i can't believe i just said that.

Jamessr · 10-30-2012, 10:37 AM

Greg Williams Defense > Steve Spagnuolo Defense

Danno · 10-30-2012, 11:06 AM

Here's a thought...

You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it?

We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone.

You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep.

Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme.

You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got.

FinSaint · 10-30-2012, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Here's a thought...

You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it?

We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone.

You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep.

Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme.

You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got.

Right, that is all true.

But at some point you have to wonder if it really was Spags forcing his scheme on this team or the franchise seeking out his services and wanting him to, even forcibly if necessary, to implement his scheme for better or worse?!

Danno · 10-30-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Right, that is all true.

But at some point you have to wonder if it really was Spags forcing his scheme on this team or the franchise seeking out his services and wanting him to, even forcibly if necessary, to implement his scheme for better or worse?!

But that wouldn't be smart during this past off-season. If we had a lot of cap to play with and a lot of picks I could see that. But why sacrifice a season just to change from a blitz heavy man scheme to zone?

FinSaint · 10-30-2012, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

But that wouldn't be smart during this past off-season. If we had a lot of cap to play with and a lot of picks I could see that. But why sacrifice a season just to change from a blitz heavy man scheme to zone?

IDK, I was just speculating.

But, they certainly didn't expect the rest of the offseason to go as it did after they hired Spags. So maybe they thought that they could make it work in the sense that at worst it would've been a transition season to another scheme while SP and Brees would protect the defense by lighting up the opposing defenses like they did last season?!

Like I said, I don't know, but some blame has to fall on the front office as well if Spags really was/is such a bad fit for the defensive personnel the Saints have at the moment as people seem to think.

spkb25 · 10-30-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Here's a thought...

You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it?

We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone.

You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep.

Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme.

You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got.

Originally Posted by Danno

We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone.

They are? They don't seem to do well at either. Wait, Vernon Davis just caught another pass.

In fairness some of that is due to a non-existent rush

To me the players just don't understand what they're suppose to be doing and it is evident by the breakdowns in coverage.

73Saint · 10-30-2012, 12:08 PM

That was a damn good analogy, SaintsBro...

10-30-2012, 10:54 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Start by watching game tape of Greg Williams defenses and start using that model...blitz like a wild man. Good point, it wasn't a style it was a model.... Organized chaos. GW is not a better defensive coordinator than Spags just smarter, and since Spags admitted he had a lot better talent its possibly the players that made Spags and not Spags that made the players. GW realized what he had, and FOUND a way to make it work out.... The Bountys were like PCP... super charge a bunch of players and they become more difficult to handle. Explains Fujita leaving. At the end of the day the reality is that our defense is just bad... A few decent players but as a whole unit its awful... The only way it has any success is to confuse QBs and blitz with so many people that WRs have to pass block. Rell&Gold likes this.
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10-30-2012, 11:11 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by x626xBlack Good point, it wasn't a style it was a model.... Organized chaos. GW is not a better defensive coordinator than Spags just smarter, and since Spags admitted he had a lot better talent its possibly the players that made Spags and not Spags that made the players. GW realized what he had, and FOUND a way to make it work out.... The Bountys were like PCP... super charge a bunch of players and they become more difficult to handle. Explains Fujita leaving. At the end of the day the reality is that our defense is just bad... A few decent players but as a whole unit its awful... The only way it has any success is to confuse QBs and blitz with so many people that WRs have to pass block. GW had quite a few more drafts and offseasons to get players he liked and suited his scheme to come down to New Orleans. Now, Spags has to try and make that personnel, which GW largely brought in, to work for him in a very different scheme than what perhaps their natural abilities are suited for. So, it's all still very relative, and I would definitely not call GW a smarter DC than Spags when everyone in the building knew that GW was going to blitz and then he do it again, again, again, again, and again. Have you forgotten all the big plays GW's defense allowed during the past couple of season?! Spags is just being honest about the situation, and the feeling I got from his press conference was that when he was saying that he didn't know how to fix the problem(s) at this point in time... he was referring to the fact that at times the defense - even on this Sunday - shows flashes of being a good defense, but then it all inexplicably falls apart a few moments later. That might be something that is very hard to fix or even to figure out where to begin fixing it, since the season is half way over and big personnel changes are no longer really possible. I don't know, it's all very disappointing since I really thought that the defense would be a top 15 caliber defense this year with Spags as the DC, but I for one will still defend the guy and the job he is doing.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

10-30-2012, 03:48 PM	#3
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Start by watching game tape of Greg Williams defenses and start using that model...blitz like a wild man. it may be the only thing that saves the season, revert to 2011 de. i can't believe i just said that. Jamessr likes this.

10-30-2012, 10:37 AM	#4
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Greg Williams Defense > Steve Spagnuolo Defense

10-30-2012, 11:06 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Here's a thought... You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it? We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone. You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep. Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme. You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got. AlaskaSaints likes this.

10-30-2012, 11:13 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by Danno Here's a thought... You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it? We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone. You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep. Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme. You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got. Right, that is all true. But at some point you have to wonder if it really was Spags forcing his scheme on this team or the franchise seeking out his services and wanting him to, even forcibly if necessary, to implement his scheme for better or worse?! spkb25 likes this.

10-30-2012, 11:30 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by FinSaint Right, that is all true. But at some point you have to wonder if it really was Spags forcing his scheme on this team or the franchise seeking out his services and wanting him to, even forcibly if necessary, to implement his scheme for better or worse?! But that wouldn't be smart during this past off-season. If we had a lot of cap to play with and a lot of picks I could see that. But why sacrifice a season just to change from a blitz heavy man scheme to zone?

10-30-2012, 11:39 AM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by Danno But that wouldn't be smart during this past off-season. If we had a lot of cap to play with and a lot of picks I could see that. But why sacrifice a season just to change from a blitz heavy man scheme to zone? IDK, I was just speculating. But, they certainly didn't expect the rest of the offseason to go as it did after they hired Spags. So maybe they thought that they could make it work in the sense that at worst it would've been a transition season to another scheme while SP and Brees would protect the defense by lighting up the opposing defenses like they did last season?! Like I said, I don't know, but some blame has to fall on the front office as well if Spags really was/is such a bad fit for the defensive personnel the Saints have at the moment as people seem to think.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

10-30-2012, 03:42 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense Originally Posted by Danno Here's a thought... You are forcing your scheme on a defense with players not suited for it? We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone. You have the tradition SS/FS, yet they're playing 2-deep. Your best DT is more of a NT, which doesn't really fit your scheme. You're scheme relies on front 4 pressure, and LB's that can cover well, which we haven't got. Originally Posted by Danno We have CB's who are better at man, yet they're playing mostly zone. They are? They don't seem to do well at either. Wait, Vernon Davis just caught another pass. In fairness some of that is due to a non-existent rush To me the players just don't understand what they're suppose to be doing and it is evident by the breakdowns in coverage.

10-30-2012, 12:08 PM	#10
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Steve Spagnuolo says there’s no magic fix for the Saints’ defense That was a damn good analogy, SaintsBro... Rell&Gold likes this.

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