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biloxi-indian 10-30-2012 04:08 PM

Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Cheaper to keep the guy. But then again we gave up a late round draft pick for Rudd who has since departed.

Evan Silva @evansilva 13m

ESPN's John Clayton said on NFL Live that LeGarrette Blount & Chris Ivory could "probably" be had for 7th-rd picks before trade deadline.

FinSaint 10-30-2012 04:18 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
IDK, I'd rather see them try to make a real splash with a trade.

Even though I think the guy has some real potential, I wouldn't be totally against trading Ingram for an impact player on the defensive side of the ball.

AlaskaSaints 10-30-2012 04:48 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Trade the proven non-gainer.

Alaska

Danno 10-30-2012 05:22 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
While its true he's made of glass, and constantly fumbles, and can't protect Drew from getting blasted, and doesn't play special teams, I'd rather keep him than lose him for a 7th rounder.

Rugby Saint II 10-30-2012 05:26 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 453321)
While its true he's made of glass, and constantly fumbles, and can't protect Drew from getting blasted, and doesn't play special teams, I'd rather keep him than lose him for a 7th rounder.

:lolup:
I'm with Danno.

SaintsBro 10-30-2012 05:32 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Unfortunately right now I think our offense is like a big chest or trunk full of kids' toys at this point. They're all jumbled up in there and Carmichael is trying to fish them out one at a time, and figure out what to do with them. BUT I want Payton to be the one to come back and unpack them and sort them out and arrange them when he gets back. I mean if you have ever seen a little kid, can you imagine if they got rid of one of his toys, while he was away, even one he never uses or doesn't like? It'd be murder.

Marlboro Man 10-30-2012 06:54 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 453322)
:lolup:
I'm with Danno.

Well, considering he's been healthy for over 2 years now, I don't see where the made of glass statement comes in or for that matter holds water. Additionally, neither can Ingram as far as blocking for Brees goes so both statements are invalid. However, he does out perform both PT and Ingram when given the chance, oh, and the fumble thing?? He's only done that in practice so nothing to make that valid in a game situation.

saintfan 10-30-2012 06:56 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Ivory for a 7th? Why not?

Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...2DTy91S1F0RTYM

CharityMike 10-30-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 453324)
Unfortunately right now I think our offense is like a big chest or trunk full of kids' toys at this point. They're all jumbled up in there and Carmichael is trying to fish them out one at a time, and figure out what to do with them. BUT I want Payton to be the one to come back and unpack them and sort them out and arrange them when he gets back. I mean if you have ever seen a little kid, can you imagine if they got rid of one of his toys, while he was away, even one he never uses or doesn't like? It'd be murder.

Which is exactly why Ingram is not going anywhere. Im with Fin, I'd rather move Ingram and get a good pick.

AlaskaSaints 10-30-2012 07:45 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Ivory's contribution this year is still a QUESTION MARK. He's the only player on the team with a 5.0 lifetime YPC who has not contributed this year and all we can do is continue to talk about is fumbles and injuries?

Colston fumbles.
Moore is constantly injured.
Graham is constantly injured.
P.T. was the last of our RB's to be injured.
Hell, even that CHUMP Hartley has been injured since Ivory.

Alaska

FinSaint 10-30-2012 08:37 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 453338)
Ivory's contribution this year is still a QUESTION MARK. He's the only player on the team with a 5.0 lifetime YPC who has not contributed this year and all we can do is continue to talk about is fumbles and injuries?

Colston fumbles.
Moore is constantly injured.
Graham is constantly injured.
P.T. was the last of our RB's to be injured.
Hell, even that CHUMP Hartley has been injured since Ivory.

Alaska


Colston does make the occasional fumble, but I think that side of his game has been overly emphasized and flat out over-exaggerated.

Marquis Colston

2006: 115 catches, 0 fumbles
2007: 144 catches, 1 fumble
2008: 88 catches, 1 fumble
2009: 107 catches, 2 fumbles
2010: 132 catches, 0 fumbles
2011: 107 catches, 1 fumble
2012: 70 catches, 1 fumble [week 8]

So, that is an average of a fumble per 127 catches. I can certainly live with that percentage, and based on that alone I find it hard to support the statement that he has a problem with fumbles.

saintsfan1976 10-30-2012 09:16 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 453338)
Ivory's contribution this year is still a QUESTION MARK. He's the only player on the team with a 5.0 lifetime YPC who has not contributed this year and all we can do is continue to talk about is fumbles and injuries?

Colston fumbles.
Moore is constantly injured.
Graham is constantly injured.
P.T. was the last of our RB's to be injured.
Hell, even that CHUMP Hartley has been injured since Ivory.

Alaska

"Lifetime"? You mean the two partial seasons he's played in, right?

The difference between Ivory and the ones you named is that the others actually produce - CONSISTENLY

AlaskaSaints 10-30-2012 10:38 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
The backup running back averages 5.0 and he can't get in the game. You don't find that ridiculous?

Do you think I don't know how many seasons Ivory has been with the Saints or that he has been injured in both seasons? REALLY?

So with the same sarcastic, caustic demeanor that you guys address Ivory I'll say that if P.T. weren't so fragile we may have won in San Francisco and may have gone to the Super Bowl. LOL And he coughed up the ball when the lights went out as well. That covers both points that you bring about Ivory... IN ONE PLAY. LOL

I love P.T. and his contribution, regardless of whether he's having a good day, and I would NOT trade P.T. for Ivory under any circumstance.

I'm not rooting for Ivory to take over the backfield, just get the man in the game. He deserves that for what he has done for us in the last TWO years that he has been with the Saints... injured.

Alaska

lumm0x 10-30-2012 10:47 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Not a chance for me. We've been down the lack of RB depth road before. Unless we get some offer that actually gives us a benefit then why even bother. I wouldn't move him for less than a 5th and I don't think we'll get that.

frydaddy 10-30-2012 10:53 PM

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NONE of the rb's have performed consistently this year. Unless you count consistently mediocre, that dubious distinction certainly fits ingram. I think ivory deserves a chance. Playing him won't do anything in terms of fixing the wet paper towel that is more commonly referred to as our defense, but he just might bring a little fire and life to the running game... And that's about the best we can hope for this year anyway, seeing some good individual effort on SOMEONE'S part.

jeanpierre 10-31-2012 12:08 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
3 Rd Pick-4th Rd Pick, anything less, take the keys away from Loomis until after the draft...

Utah_Saint 10-31-2012 12:57 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
I hope they don't trade him for a 7th rounder. I don't think it would be worth it.

I do hope they give him a chance. I think it's time to change things up. What could it hurt? Are they worried about risking that .248 winning percentage?

MatthewT 10-31-2012 01:07 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
With Ivory, it really depends on what the Saints plans are for him. His contract is up after this season, but is only going to be a restricted free agent in 2013. Because of the lack of opportunity, I seriously doubt Ivory wants to remain with the Saints. If the Saints have some master plan on using him, then get him some touches and keep him around. To me, I don't see that happening, so move him if you can and get a draft pick for next year. I mean seriously, already 7 games are over and not a single touch? To me that doesn't sound like he is in the plans, just being kept as an insurance policy. Move him for a draft pick if possible is my official take.

SaintsBro 10-31-2012 08:25 AM

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Guys, it's not HOW MANY fumbles Ivory has that put him in the coaches' doghouse, it's WHEN, WHERE and HOW he fumbles.

FinSaint 10-31-2012 09:09 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Well, they do have 5 RBs at the moment, so I guess they could get rid of one of them and still have good depth at the position.

BIGEASY504 10-31-2012 01:36 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 453338)
Ivory's contribution this year is still a QUESTION MARK. He's the only player on the team with a 5.0 lifetime YPC who has not contributed this year and all we can do is continue to talk about is fumbles and injuries?

Colston fumbles.
Moore is constantly injured.
Graham is constantly injured.
P.T. was the last of our RB's to be injured.
Hell, even that CHUMP Hartley has been injured since Ivory.

Alaska

I would not trade Ivory, Ingram didn't shine prior to Bounty Gate so why trade Ivory. with his YPC what's the reason? PT moved out Pittman why can't Ingram be done the same?

FinSaint 10-31-2012 02:58 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 (Post 453497)
I would not trade Ivory, Ingram didn't shine prior to Bounty Gate so why trade Ivory. with his YPC what's the reason? PT moved out Pittman why can't Ingram be done the same?


I guess the idea behind that move would be the fact that his contract is up at the end of this season, and so if they don't think they can re-sign him - why wouldn't they trade him in order to get something in return?!

Danno 10-31-2012 03:45 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 453509)
I guess the idea behind that move would be the fact that his contract is up at the end of this season, and so if they don't think they can re-sign him - why wouldn't they trade him in order to get something in return?!

I think he's a RFA so we can slap a late round tender on him and keep him cheap or get a pick.

I forget what the tender levels are now.

SmashMouth 10-31-2012 03:51 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 453321)
While its true he's made of glass, and constantly fumbles, and can't protect Drew from getting blasted, and doesn't play special teams, I'd rather keep him than lose him for a 7th rounder.

Is he any better than any Alabama rb we could get? :)

Danno 10-31-2012 04:13 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 453523)
Is he any better than any Alabama rb we could get? :)

I'm convinced he is.

FinSaint 10-31-2012 04:31 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 453521)
I think he's a RFA so we can slap a late round tender on him and keep him cheap or get a pick.

I forget what the tender levels are now.


Yeah, you're right. I thought that he was an UFA, but after your comment I checked it again, and he is indeed a RFA, so he could be had on the cheap once again.

subguy 11-01-2012 06:59 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 453332)
Well, considering he's been healthy for over 2 years now, I don't see where the made of glass statement comes in or for that matter holds water.

It is difficult to get injured when you aren't playing because of fumbling, lack of blocking etc... but if he had played in the last 2 years the statement would be holding water

bobdog86 11-01-2012 08:38 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
To bad he couldn't play defense, might be worth trying.....probably couldn't be much worse. Explore all options.

TheOak 11-01-2012 09:00 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
I bet he could power rush a QB.

Jamessr 11-01-2012 10:03 AM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
This is where sports talk becomes like politics....
Everyone thinks thier opinion is the only correct one and everyone elses is wrong

CharityMike 11-01-2012 07:07 PM

Re: Ivory for a 7th rounder?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 453615)
This is where sports talk becomes like politics....
Everyone thinks thier opinion is the only correct one and everyone elses is wrong

:doh: Why would I say something that I didn't think was correct :banana:


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