Vitt: Too late for Saints to make wholesale changes on defense

Budsdrinker · 11-02-2012, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Explain what harm change would make? Don't just say "you cant", give reasons besides panicky girls.

The same reasons people are saying our DB's are getting burnt. It's quite apparent other than Greer and he is struggling from the groin injury that we don't have the speed to cover in man. We really need to play zone with the guys we have. The problem is half of them are playing zone and the other half revert to man instead of staying in their assign zones which leads to the broken coverages. If we start blitzing GW style over 60% of the time it will result in even more big plays because teams will eat us up with the quick slants. Every team left on the schedule has speed receivers that can take a quick throw and take it to the house. Vick is probably the only QB we have left to face that doesn't read the blitz that well. We have some young guys that need to learn the zone scheme and build off of it.
We have Gallete, Wilson, Hicks and Jordan that I think will develop nicely and they will be the future front 4. No way do they get rid of Spags after one year considering all the distractions and every DC has their schemes and zone scheme is Spags specialty so it will be the same scheme we will play next year. Just as well let the young guys learn it this year so they will understand it better for next year. Yes the defense is terrible this year but we made enough mistakes on offense that cost us wins as well. The season is probably done this year, I still have hope but basically we have to win at least 8 out of 9 to have a shot at the playoffs so we just as soon stick with the zone scheme and learn it so that there isn't any breakdowns next year.

TheOak · 11-02-2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The same reasons people are saying our DB's are getting burnt. It's quite apparent other than Greer and he is struggling from the groin injury that we don't have the speed to cover in man. We really need to play zone with the guys we have. The problem is half of them are playing zone and the other half revert to man instead of staying in their assign zones which leads to the broken coverages. If we start blitzing GW style over 60% of the time it will result in even more big plays because teams will eat us up with the quick slants. Every team left on the schedule has speed receivers that can take a quick throw and take it to the house. Vick is probably the only QB we have left to face that doesn't read the blitz that well. We have some young guys that need to learn the zone scheme and build off of it.
We have Gallete, Wilson, Hicks and Jordan that I think will develop nicely and they will be the future front 4. No way do they get rid of Spags after one year considering all the distractions and every DC has their schemes and zone scheme is Spags specialty so it will be the same scheme we will play next year. Just as well let the young guys learn it this year so they will understand it better for next year. Yes the defense is terrible this year but we made enough mistakes on offense that cost us wins as well. The season is probably done this year, I still have hope but basically we have to win at least 8 out of 9 to have a shot at the playoffs so we just as soon stick with the zone scheme and learn it so that there isn't any breakdowns next year.

"Zone coverage schemes require the linebackers and defensive backs to work together to cover certain areas of the field,"

Sh1t aint workin.

" making it difficult for the opposing quarterback to complete passes"

Sh1t aint workin.

Obviously what have can't play zone (explains GW defense), what we are "trying" is actually making it easier for QGs to complete passes because no one is there when the receiver rcatches the ball.

"Zone defenses will generally require linebackers to cover the short and midrange area in the middle of the field, "

Shanle fail. Hawthorne not so good for this and Lofton is better at the run. Our line backers are slow.
sh1t aint workin

" In the case where one or two linebackers blitz, the remaining linebacker(s) expands his zone to cover the zone responsibilities of the vacating linebacker(s). Often, blitzing will leave larger holes in the pass defense, but it is a gamble the defensive coordinator wants to make to pressure the quarterback into a poor decision and hopefully an interception or at least an incompletion"

Blitz or no blitz QBs have all day.
Sh1t aint workin.

We are now in week 9 that means these players have had over 60 days in cleats to learn this. For you an I that is 12 work weeks to learn a new way to do our job at work. neither you nor I would have a job at this point. .. At what point do you say 'this sh1t aint workin", lets do something to salvage the remainder of the season and give the offense a chance at winning some games.

Specialty Coaches are stubborn, their personalities lend to the type of person that will kick a horse way past death to try and "make it work"..

No Joe and Steve... the damn horse didnt move.

11-02-2012, 08:47 AM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Vitt: Too late for Saints to make wholesale changes on defense Originally Posted by x626xBlack Explain what harm change would make? Don't just say "you cant", give reasons besides panicky girls. The same reasons people are saying our DB's are getting burnt. It's quite apparent other than Greer and he is struggling from the groin injury that we don't have the speed to cover in man. We really need to play zone with the guys we have. The problem is half of them are playing zone and the other half revert to man instead of staying in their assign zones which leads to the broken coverages. If we start blitzing GW style over 60% of the time it will result in even more big plays because teams will eat us up with the quick slants. Every team left on the schedule has speed receivers that can take a quick throw and take it to the house. Vick is probably the only QB we have left to face that doesn't read the blitz that well. We have some young guys that need to learn the zone scheme and build off of it. We have Gallete, Wilson, Hicks and Jordan that I think will develop nicely and they will be the future front 4. No way do they get rid of Spags after one year considering all the distractions and every DC has their schemes and zone scheme is Spags specialty so it will be the same scheme we will play next year. Just as well let the young guys learn it this year so they will understand it better for next year. Yes the defense is terrible this year but we made enough mistakes on offense that cost us wins as well. The season is probably done this year, I still have hope but basically we have to win at least 8 out of 9 to have a shot at the playoffs so we just as soon stick with the zone scheme and learn it so that there isn't any breakdowns next year. Halo, Rugby Saint II and jlouhill like this.

11-02-2012, 09:52 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Vitt: Too late for Saints to make wholesale changes on defense Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The same reasons people are saying our DB's are getting burnt. It's quite apparent other than Greer and he is struggling from the groin injury that we don't have the speed to cover in man. We really need to play zone with the guys we have. The problem is half of them are playing zone and the other half revert to man instead of staying in their assign zones which leads to the broken coverages. If we start blitzing GW style over 60% of the time it will result in even more big plays because teams will eat us up with the quick slants. Every team left on the schedule has speed receivers that can take a quick throw and take it to the house. Vick is probably the only QB we have left to face that doesn't read the blitz that well. We have some young guys that need to learn the zone scheme and build off of it. We have Gallete, Wilson, Hicks and Jordan that I think will develop nicely and they will be the future front 4. No way do they get rid of Spags after one year considering all the distractions and every DC has their schemes and zone scheme is Spags specialty so it will be the same scheme we will play next year. Just as well let the young guys learn it this year so they will understand it better for next year. Yes the defense is terrible this year but we made enough mistakes on offense that cost us wins as well. The season is probably done this year, I still have hope but basically we have to win at least 8 out of 9 to have a shot at the playoffs so we just as soon stick with the zone scheme and learn it so that there isn't any breakdowns next year. "Zone coverage schemes require the linebackers and defensive backs to work together to cover certain areas of the field," Sh1t aint workin. " making it difficult for the opposing quarterback to complete passes" Sh1t aint workin. Obviously what have can't play zone (explains GW defense), what we are "trying" is actually making it easier for QGs to complete passes because no one is there when the receiver rcatches the ball. "Zone defenses will generally require linebackers to cover the short and midrange area in the middle of the field, " Shanle fail. Hawthorne not so good for this and Lofton is better at the run. Our line backers are slow. sh1t aint workin " In the case where one or two linebackers blitz, the remaining linebacker(s) expands his zone to cover the zone responsibilities of the vacating linebacker(s). Often, blitzing will leave larger holes in the pass defense, but it is a gamble the defensive coordinator wants to make to pressure the quarterback into a poor decision and hopefully an interception or at least an incompletion" Blitz or no blitz QBs have all day. Sh1t aint workin. We are now in week 9 that means these players have had over 60 days in cleats to learn this. For you an I that is 12 work weeks to learn a new way to do our job at work. neither you nor I would have a job at this point. .. At what point do you say 'this sh1t aint workin", lets do something to salvage the remainder of the season and give the offense a chance at winning some games. Specialty Coaches are stubborn, their personalities lend to the type of person that will kick a horse way past death to try and "make it work".. No Joe and Steve... the damn horse didnt move. SapperSaint, Beastmode and CharityMike like this.
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