Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE

dizzle88 · 11-06-2012, 04:10 AM

Okay so.......tell me where is the illegal hit there?

no helmet to helmet, vick lowered his helmet and martez wrapped him up and smacked him with the shoulder pad

SloMotion · 11-06-2012, 05:51 AM

Yeah, I did not like that call purely from the standpoint that Vick was going into a crouch in anticipation of being sacked and any helmet-to-helmet contact by Martez was incidental.

I thought it was going to be a long night with the officials, but it turned out alright ... didn't like the call on the early completion for Vick either (Vitt challenged it & lost), where the ball clearly hit the turf & even kicked something up before being ruled caught.

TheOak · 11-06-2012, 06:48 AM

The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time.

The penalty was BS.

Beastmode · 11-06-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time.

The penalty was BS.

I hope they change that rule regardless. There needs to be slightly bigger window of the ball being caught and hitting the ground. If it happens simultaneously, or very close to it, the physics of the force on the ground plays a role. When you watch it in slow motion it make it appear it does not.

I also hope that helmet to helmet hits become something that can be challenged in the future. That is a severe penalty that does not take into account the dynamics of hitting, only the sound. The defender could make a clean hit only to get a flag thrown by a QB slightly moving their head, much like the NBA flop.

SloMotion · 11-06-2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time.

The penalty was BS.

Yeah, but he had two hands on the top/side of the ball and was using the ground for control, doesn't he have to have something underneath the ball?

TheOak · 11-06-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, but he had two hands on the top/side of the ball and was using the ground for control, doesn't he have to have something underneath the ball?

here is the catch... Fingers are way below the seams

SloMotion · 11-06-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

here is the catch... Fingers are way below the seams

Thanks for digging that up ... fingers are below the seams but the ball is contacting the ground also? ... I guess I'll just be glad it wasn't a game-changer and the replacement refs weren't around to award the Eagles a safety or something on the play,

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jlouhill · 11-06-2012, 06:50 AM

Im all for the safety factor when it comes to the head. But these helmet to helmet calls are getting ridiculous. And I agree, rules or not, that was NOT a catch.

jeanpierre · 11-06-2012, 06:55 AM

I'm just glad the calls didn't turn the game the other way...

Otherwise, we'd have to go and get all Braveheart and placed effigy heads of the refs along with certain NFL officials on pikes outside the Dome...

RaginCajun83 · 11-06-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm just glad the calls didn't turn the game the other way...

Otherwise, we'd have to go and get all Braveheart and placed effigy heads of the refs along with certain NFL officials on pikes outside the Dome...

Good thing that BS call didn't determine the final outcome, but can we still do the whole heads on a stick thing anyways, I can think of a few people from the home office that I'd like to see taken care of that way

11-06-2012, 04:10 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Okay so.......tell me where is the illegal hit there? no helmet to helmet, vick lowered his helmet and martez wrapped him up and smacked him with the shoulder pad Attached Thumbnails

11-06-2012, 05:51 AM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Yeah, I did not like that call purely from the standpoint that Vick was going into a crouch in anticipation of being sacked and any helmet-to-helmet contact by Martez was incidental. I thought it was going to be a long night with the officials, but it turned out alright ... didn't like the call on the early completion for Vick either (Vitt challenged it & lost), where the ball clearly hit the turf & even kicked something up before being ruled caught.

11-06-2012, 06:48 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time. The penalty was BS. Boutte and WhoDat!656 like this.

11-06-2012, 10:19 AM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Originally Posted by x626xBlack The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time. The penalty was BS. I hope they change that rule regardless. There needs to be slightly bigger window of the ball being caught and hitting the ground. If it happens simultaneously, or very close to it, the physics of the force on the ground plays a role. When you watch it in slow motion it make it appear it does not. I also hope that helmet to helmet hits become something that can be challenged in the future. That is a severe penalty that does not take into account the dynamics of hitting, only the sound. The defender could make a clean hit only to get a flag thrown by a QB slightly moving their head, much like the NBA flop.
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11-06-2012, 12:20 PM	#5
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Originally Posted by x626xBlack The catch was a catch... The ball can touch the turk.. However he had clear control of it the entire time. The penalty was BS. Yeah, but he had two hands on the top/side of the ball and was using the ground for control, doesn't he have to have something underneath the ball?

11-06-2012, 01:25 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, but he had two hands on the top/side of the ball and was using the ground for control, doesn't he have to have something underneath the ball? here is the catch... Fingers are way below the seams

11-06-2012, 04:04 PM	#7
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Originally Posted by x626xBlack here is the catch... Fingers are way below the seams Thanks for digging that up ... fingers are below the seams but the ball is contacting the ground also? ... I guess I'll just be glad it wasn't a game-changer and the replacement refs weren't around to award the Eagles a safety or something on the play, .

11-06-2012, 06:50 AM	#8
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Im all for the safety factor when it comes to the head. But these helmet to helmet calls are getting ridiculous. And I agree, rules or not, that was NOT a catch.

11-06-2012, 06:55 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE I'm just glad the calls didn't turn the game the other way... Otherwise, we'd have to go and get all Braveheart and placed effigy heads of the refs along with certain NFL officials on pikes outside the Dome...

11-06-2012, 09:49 AM	#10
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Refs call Martez for illegal hit on sack - PICTURE EVIDENCE Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm just glad the calls didn't turn the game the other way... Otherwise, we'd have to go and get all Braveheart and placed effigy heads of the refs along with certain NFL officials on pikes outside the Dome... Good thing that BS call didn't determine the final outcome, but can we still do the whole heads on a stick thing anyways, I can think of a few people from the home office that I'd like to see taken care of that way

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