I finally agree with Peter King?

BrooksMustGo · 08-16-2004, 11:07 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

Now I know you're saying: There's no way Garcia's one of the top 15 quarterbacks in football. Yes he is. Here's my top 15, rated by who has the combination of resume and immediate bright future:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Steve McNair
4. Brett Favre
5. Trent Green
6. Jake Plummer
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Chad Pennington
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Mike Vick
11. Garcia
12. Matt Hasselbeck
13. Marc Bulger
14. Brad Johnson
15. Mark Brunell

(Didn't mean to get off on that tangent. But I knew a few of you would write in and ask how I could put Garcia up high on that list, so I thought I'd just give you my list.)

OK, I disagree at #13. I think Ramsey is the better QB than the 3 guys at the bottom of the list and basically even with Hasselbeck. Otherwise, I think this list is about right. Someone is conspicuous by his absence... :P

"I've been stereotyped as a guy who's not big enough, who's got an average arm,'' Garcia told me. "Well, I've gotten to three Pro Bowls in the last five years with that average arm. There's something about guts and determination that's pretty important to this position too. When I'm out on the field, I'm the harshest critic of myself. I expect perfection. I show my emotion. I'm not content or happy just to be out there playing. I'm only content doing everything I can to win. And I want everyone else out there striving to be the best they can be too.''

I'd pay real money to have a QB with this sort of attitude and this kind of leadership.

[Edited on 17/8/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

[Edited on 17/8/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

GumboBC · 08-16-2004, 11:11 PM

Someone is conspicuous by his absence...

Yeah, you\'re right. Where is that Super Bowl QB? Jake didn\'t make this list??

I\'m shocked!! ... NOT!!

BrooksMustGo · 08-16-2004, 11:16 PM

OK, Jake isn\'t on the list. So what? Last I saw Jake isn\'t in black and gold.

I\'m glad you accept the rankings though. It does leave us with the problem of why Mr. \"I\'m a top 5 QB in this league and should be paid like one\" isn\'t on this list either?

CheramieIII · 08-16-2004, 11:19 PM

PK is right on some and wrong on other\'s. I read this thing several times and where in the hell is Brook\'s? I think he is a top 15 QB, at least better than 11 through 15. I\'m not surprised by the absence of Jake, I think everyone will come back to earth this year with there opinion of him.

Jake Plummer at 6. Obviously PK has\'nt seen him play, ever!

Puddinhead · 08-17-2004, 09:37 AM

From Len Pass-the-gravy\'s piece after visiting the Saints last week:

\"Although an injury kept Aaron Brooks out of practice on Thursday and the Friday night game, we may have to re-think our opinion on the Saints quarterback. Our perception has been, for the last several seasons, that Brooks made plays and put up pretty good numbers, but never made plays to win games. But in speaking with New Orleans officials, and looking over some documentation, Brooks has engineered 11 game-winning fourth-quarter drives in his three seasons as the starter. There aren\'t many coaches in the league who would pass on a guy who has averaged nearly four fourth-quarter comebacks per season, right? And at least, when the ball is in the air, Brooks takes good care of it. Last season, he had three times as many touchdown passes as interceptions (24-8), and his three-season mark in that key area is an excellent plus-35. Where he has problems is protecting the ball in the pocket. Brooks fumbled 13 times last season, in part because he doesn\'t protect the ball well enough, in part because he holds onto the thing too long. Brooks definitely needs to get rid of the ball, to make better and faster decisions, and to be more aware of ball security. He also needs to develop more consistency in general. Brooks can look great one week, mediocre the next, and has to avoid such disparity. He is a bit thin-skinned and doesn\'t handle criticism very well and, in fact, the coaches sometimes have to psychologically play a little good cop-bad cop with him. He\'s also not a guy who seems to inspire confidence in teammates and who is a tad shy on leadership skills. But the people here who count feel he is more than good enough to be a playoff quarterback. Is he good enough to take the Saints to a Super Bowl someday? First he\'s got to shepherd them back to postseason play and then we\'ll find out.\"

Seems like a fairly even-handed analysis...something you\'ll rarely see on a message board.

08-16-2004, 11:11 PM	#2
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	I finally agree with Peter King? Someone is conspicuous by his absence... Yeah, you\'re right. Where is that Super Bowl QB? Jake didn\'t make this list?? I\'m shocked!! ... NOT!!
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08-16-2004, 11:16 PM	#3
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I finally agree with Peter King? OK, Jake isn\'t on the list. So what? Last I saw Jake isn\'t in black and gold. I\'m glad you accept the rankings though. It does leave us with the problem of why Mr. \"I\'m a top 5 QB in this league and should be paid like one\" isn\'t on this list either?

08-16-2004, 11:19 PM	#4
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	I finally agree with Peter King? PK is right on some and wrong on other\'s. I read this thing several times and where in the hell is Brook\'s? I think he is a top 15 QB, at least better than 11 through 15. I\'m not surprised by the absence of Jake, I think everyone will come back to earth this year with there opinion of him. Jake Plummer at 6. Obviously PK has\'nt seen him play, ever!

08-17-2004, 09:37 AM	#5
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	I finally agree with Peter King? From Len Pass-the-gravy\'s piece after visiting the Saints last week: \"Although an injury kept Aaron Brooks out of practice on Thursday and the Friday night game, we may have to re-think our opinion on the Saints quarterback. Our perception has been, for the last several seasons, that Brooks made plays and put up pretty good numbers, but never made plays to win games. But in speaking with New Orleans officials, and looking over some documentation, Brooks has engineered 11 game-winning fourth-quarter drives in his three seasons as the starter. There aren\'t many coaches in the league who would pass on a guy who has averaged nearly four fourth-quarter comebacks per season, right? And at least, when the ball is in the air, Brooks takes good care of it. Last season, he had three times as many touchdown passes as interceptions (24-8), and his three-season mark in that key area is an excellent plus-35. Where he has problems is protecting the ball in the pocket. Brooks fumbled 13 times last season, in part because he doesn\'t protect the ball well enough, in part because he holds onto the thing too long. Brooks definitely needs to get rid of the ball, to make better and faster decisions, and to be more aware of ball security. He also needs to develop more consistency in general. Brooks can look great one week, mediocre the next, and has to avoid such disparity. He is a bit thin-skinned and doesn\'t handle criticism very well and, in fact, the coaches sometimes have to psychologically play a little good cop-bad cop with him. He\'s also not a guy who seems to inspire confidence in teammates and who is a tad shy on leadership skills. But the people here who count feel he is more than good enough to be a playoff quarterback. Is he good enough to take the Saints to a Super Bowl someday? First he\'s got to shepherd them back to postseason play and then we\'ll find out.\" Seems like a fairly even-handed analysis...something you\'ll rarely see on a message board.
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102

08-16-2004, 11:07 PM	#1
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I finally agree with Peter King? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes Now I know you're saying: There's no way Garcia's one of the top 15 quarterbacks in football. Yes he is. Here's my top 15, rated by who has the combination of resume and immediate bright future: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Tom Brady 3. Steve McNair 4. Brett Favre 5. Trent Green 6. Jake Plummer 7. Daunte Culpepper 8. Chad Pennington 9. Donovan McNabb 10. Mike Vick 11. Garcia 12. Matt Hasselbeck 13. Marc Bulger 14. Brad Johnson 15. Mark Brunell (Didn't mean to get off on that tangent. But I knew a few of you would write in and ask how I could put Garcia up high on that list, so I thought I'd just give you my list.) OK, I disagree at #13. I think Ramsey is the better QB than the 3 guys at the bottom of the list and basically even with Hasselbeck. Otherwise, I think this list is about right. Someone is conspicuous by his absence... :P "I've been stereotyped as a guy who's not big enough, who's got an average arm,'' Garcia told me. "Well, I've gotten to three Pro Bowls in the last five years with that average arm. There's something about guts and determination that's pretty important to this position too. When I'm out on the field, I'm the harshest critic of myself. I expect perfection. I show my emotion. I'm not content or happy just to be out there playing. I'm only content doing everything I can to win. And I want everyone else out there striving to be the best they can be too.'' I'd pay real money to have a QB with this sort of attitude and this kind of leadership. [Edited on 17/8/2004 by BrooksMustGo] [Edited on 17/8/2004 by BrooksMustGo]

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