Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back

skymike · 11-12-2012, 09:36 AM

can he play LB?

TheOak · 11-12-2012, 09:41 AM

Sproles is a different utilization that PT/Ingram/Ivory.. I do not see a direct correlation.

FinSaint · 11-12-2012, 09:46 AM

Sproles is one of the best offensive weapons in the whole league, so any team would be lucky to have him in the active roster as far as I'm concerned.

TheOak · 11-12-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Obviously I am joking with the title of this post.

Sort of.

I love me some Darren Sproles. He's absolutely amazing to watch and he's arguable the Saints most powerful offensive weapon. But the Saints running back has missed the past two games with a hand injury and there's no denying in those two games, the Saints offense has finally found a successful running game and a balanced offense.

So excuse me if I'm not in a rush to see him return to the field. Just take a look at these offensive statistical comparisons, with and without Sproles in the lineup:

Average rushing yards the first 7 games (with Sproles) - 72.8 yards

Average rushing yards the last 2 games (without Sproles) - 144 yards

Average run/pass ratio the first 7 games - 30%/70%

Average run/pass ratio the last 2 games - 47%/53%

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You are leaving out other changes that happened in the same time period.

burningmetal · 11-12-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sproles is a different utilization that PT/Ingram/Ivory.. I do not see a direct correlation.

We're not better off without Sproles, but we had become incredibly predictable. We weren't running worth a crap, so Sproles was being used far too often in the passing game to compensate, and teams were sitting on that.

Now that he's been away, it's forced the Saints to really re-focus on getting their backs going, and most importantly, it gave Ivory a chance to remind this coaching staff what he can do. So now when Sproles comes back I believe he'll be much more effective and compliment those guys, much like he did last year.

Definitely not an indictment on Darren, but could prove to have been a positive thing.

Utah_Saint · 11-12-2012, 03:50 PM

If the Saints power running game gets going like it has over the last two games, then the play action screen passes that Thomas and Sproles are so good at, will open up. If the other team brings up their safeties to cover Sproles and Thomas out of the backfield, then Graham will eat them up over the middle.

Or at least that's the way it's supposed to come together.

Budsdrinker · 11-12-2012, 06:54 PM

The difference is a 17% increase in rushing attempts

Danno · 11-12-2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You are leaving out other changes that happened in the same time period.

That happens quite a bit around here.

ScottF · 11-12-2012, 07:20 PM

What's amazing is that Sproles is out, but PT had less than 5 touches

Marlboro Man · 11-12-2012, 09:14 PM

First, we need Darren Sproles. Second, we're not in the business of getting rid of great players. Third, wait till SP comes back and unveils a 5 RB set. I can see it now, backs are good at protecting the QB, they can chip and go out into their routes, they have good hands and can catch and then they are great in the open field, even better than most WR's. We'd have Sproles, PT and Cadet split out with Ingram and Ivory in the backfield. It would totally blow other teams minds.

11-12-2012, 09:36 AM	#11
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back can he play LB?

11-12-2012, 09:41 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Sproles is a different utilization that PT/Ingram/Ivory.. I do not see a direct correlation.

11-12-2012, 09:46 AM	#13
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Sproles is one of the best offensive weapons in the whole league, so any team would be lucky to have him in the active roster as far as I'm concerned. Jamessr likes this.

11-12-2012, 11:37 AM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Obviously I am joking with the title of this post. Sort of. I love me some Darren Sproles. He's absolutely amazing to watch and he's arguable the Saints most powerful offensive weapon. But the Saints running back has missed the past two games with a hand injury and there's no denying in those two games, the Saints offense has finally found a successful running game and a balanced offense. So excuse me if I'm not in a rush to see him return to the field. Just take a look at these offensive statistical comparisons, with and without Sproles in the lineup: Average rushing yards the first 7 games (with Sproles) - 72.8 yards Average rushing yards the last 2 games (without Sproles) - 144 yards Average run/pass ratio the first 7 games - 30%/70% Average run/pass ratio the last 2 games - 47%/53% Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back - Canal Street Chronicles You are leaving out other changes that happened in the same time period.

11-12-2012, 02:55 PM	#15
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by TheOak Sproles is a different utilization that PT/Ingram/Ivory.. I do not see a direct correlation. We're not better off without Sproles, but we had become incredibly predictable. We weren't running worth a crap, so Sproles was being used far too often in the passing game to compensate, and teams were sitting on that. Now that he's been away, it's forced the Saints to really re-focus on getting their backs going, and most importantly, it gave Ivory a chance to remind this coaching staff what he can do. So now when Sproles comes back I believe he'll be much more effective and compliment those guys, much like he did last year. Definitely not an indictment on Darren, but could prove to have been a positive thing.
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back If the Saints power running game gets going like it has over the last two games, then the play action screen passes that Thomas and Sproles are so good at, will open up. If the other team brings up their safeties to cover Sproles and Thomas out of the backfield, then Graham will eat them up over the middle. Or at least that's the way it's supposed to come together.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back Originally Posted by TheOak You are leaving out other changes that happened in the same time period. That happens quite a bit around here.

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Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Dear Darren Sproles: Please Don't Come Back First, we need Darren Sproles. Second, we're not in the business of getting rid of great players. Third, wait till SP comes back and unveils a 5 RB set. I can see it now, backs are good at protecting the QB, they can chip and go out into their routes, they have good hands and can catch and then they are great in the open field, even better than most WR's. We'd have Sproles, PT and Cadet split out with Ingram and Ivory in the backfield. It would totally blow other teams minds.

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