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Not sure what everyone is smoking but our losses at the start of the season were from abysmal defensive play and receivers not catching balls, and missed field goals.

WE lost those games. No refs took them from us.

We lost to GB by 1 point and the Chiefs by 3.. Hartley missed FGs in both of those games. He is 66% on turf and that is terrible for a dome team.

None of his misses were long by a long shot.

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 458096)

....Schedules of those ahead of us:

Bears (7-3, 4-1 NFC) : MIN, SEA, @MIN, GB, @ARZ, @DET

Packers (7-3, 5-2 NFC) : @NYG, MIN, DET, @CHI, TEN, @MIN

......
Vikings (6-4, 4-3 NFC) : @CHI, @GB, CHI, @STL, @HOU, GB
....

All fair arsaints. But it all means nada if the Saints do not run their schedule 1st. The Saints schedule is no easier.

One thing to note is the number of games between our "protangonists" of NFC North. Curently they combined have 10 losses league-wide. Which every way you cut it, they combined will have a MINIMUM of 15 losses. I reckon, in all likelihood that 2 of those teams will have 6+ losses.

Hartley missed a field goal vs Green Bay... I'm guessing the other 52 people and 59:00 minutes had nothing to do with that loss?

he contributed... not the sole factor.
I'm not even hartley fan I can even see that