Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon

alleycat_126 · 11-27-2012, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Obviously the most expensive part on my car, the 558 hp Super Charged motor is why I cant drive my car on a flat tire, its also the reason the wipers dont clear all of the water from my wind shield....

I really love to blame it for my DVD player not being able to play scratched DVDs.

So well stated. And I'll add.

I would love to have Aaron Rodgers ( better than average qb, dubbed better than Drew) who doesn't make that one mistake per game, and has a healthy O line, and be at home and go up against this Defense...... O, wait..... they did it to Green Bay to in Lambeau too!!!!!

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Obviously the most expensive part on my car, the 558 hp Super Charged motor is why I cant drive my car on a flat tire, its also the reason the wipers dont clear all of the water from my wind shield....

I really love to blame it for my DVD player not being able to play scratched DVDs.

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

So well stated. And I'll add.

I would love to have Aaron Rodgers ( better than average qb, dubbed better than Drew) who doesn't make that one mistake per game, and has a healthy O line, and be at home and go up against this Defense...... O, wait..... they did it to Green Bay to in Lambeau too!!!!!

Well, I do agree with Oak's comparison in its essence.

But I would counter that while it's certainly not the expensive motor's fault if your wipers are not working - I bet you're still a lot more critical of how the expensive motor performs at its duty and much more disappointed when it doesn't perform up to its expectations compared to how critical/disappointed you are at the inexpensive wipers when they don't meet your expectations?!

Also, the Vikes won against the 49ers, and while it was at home it proves that you can't really draw direct comparisons between previous match ups and their results because as has been stated here numerous times before: every team matches differently against each other.

Boutte · 11-27-2012, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Same number of possessions as last year, 5 minutes per game less possession time. BY DEFINITION, not a defensive problem. 4 healthy RBs. Until Sunday, entire O-Line healthy. And, neither pick6 was due to pressure.

Good thing that Brees doesn't have the imperative to call audibles or give input on strategy before or during games. Otherwise, the observations about not running the ball, or time of possession on most 3-outs being under 70 seconds would be his fault, rather than the OC or HC.

Last season we were the best offense, scoring 5 more points, holding the ball 5 more minutes, committing fewer turnovers, punting 30% less.

Same people. Only they make more guaranteed money.

So Xan, make it easy for me. Are you saying that the only difference between this year and and last year is that Brees is now making more money and that that is reason we're not dominating like we did last year? It's all on Brees and his contract?

xan · 11-27-2012, 05:56 PM

It's not just Brees' guaranteed money.

So what IS the difference between this and last year? Easier schedule? (yes) New offense? (no) Missing Robert Meachem? (maybe) Not enough team football knowledge? (obviously)

If Sean Payton is that critical to the success of the team, such that, without much change in personnel or scheme, offense (and defense) has dropped production that significantly, then we are paying too much for what's on the field and in the staff rooms.

Its going to be blown up next year anyway, get on with it. Rip that band aid off.

alleycat_126 · 11-27-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Also, the Vikes won against the 49ers, and while it was at home it proves that you can't really draw direct comparisons between previous match ups and their results because as has been stated here numerous times before: every team matches differently against each other.

I was comparing Green Bay more so for the makeup of their team. It compares similarly to ours. As a matter of fact, in this instance( to make a horrible analogy that I know I already hate myself for thinking) we would be considered the poor mans Green Bay. And you can compare matchups if we are talking about the Same team ( Frisco) vs teams with a similar skillset that being N.O and G.B

SaintsBro · 11-27-2012, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by xan

If Sean Payton is that critical to the success of the team, such that, without much change in personnel or scheme, offense (and defense) has dropped production that significantly, then we are paying too much for what's on the field and in the staff rooms.

"Paying too much for what's on the field?" Huh? We are under the salary cap. The 49ers and Falcons are both in worse cap shape than us, with less room, they are paying more for what they have "on the field." Are they "paying too much" too?

What we are clearly seeing this year has nothing to do with paying too much for players, it has EVERYTHING to do with what happens when you don't pay for a head coach, because he is SUSPENDED.

aintasinner · 11-27-2012, 09:28 PM

Wow! People give up so easy on a team and a player. If you want to support a team that wins 100% of the time, then you should become a fan of, well there are no teams that win 100% of the time. The Saints need the support of the fans and Drew Brees certaintly has earned our support and respect.

FinSaint · 11-28-2012, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by aintasinner

Wow! People give up so easy on a team and a player. If you want to support a team that wins 100% of the time, then you should become a fan of, well there are no teams that win 100% of the time. The Saints need the support of the fans and Drew Brees certaintly has earned our support and respect.

First of all, this is not targeted at you aintasinner, but more at the sentiment you made in your comment.

I see no contradictions between being a supportive fan of the Saints giving out praises to players when they are due, but also at the same time being able to be critical of those same players when their performances warrant such criticism.

To me that has nothing to do with "being a good fan" and if "being a good fan" means that I'd have to blindly cheer for the team after each game regardless of how they perform then I don't really want to be a good fan, at least in that sense of the definition. These boards would become rather tiresome fairly quickly if all we did was praise the Saints' players and never questioned the actions of the coaches and the front office.

I don't think I've personally ever been guilty of overreactions on these boards, as in "oh my god, we need to cut all of these players that missed a tackle last night." I am at certain times concerned about how players perform on the field and what decisions are being made by the coaches and the FO, but that is only because I care about the Saints so much and because I'd like to see each and every player to ever wear the black & gold do their absolute best night after night and that every decision ever made by the coaches and the FO to be in the very best interest of the team.

I fully support and respect Drew Brees both as a player and as an individual, but that doesn't mean that I can't be critical of him when there's a reason for me to be that way - the same goes for each and every other player.

//he steps of the soap box and lights it on fire.

Saint_LB · 11-28-2012, 05:51 AM

I believe there comes a point to where you have to ask what you are getting for your money. I don't mind spending 20 million a year for a QB, but I would think that when you spend that type of money, you don't have to settle for a QB that has to stand on his tip-toes just to see who is open. Having to stand on your toes should deduct a million or two, IMO.

I also believe that a QB has to take responsibility for what happened on the field regardless of whether it is fault or not. If he want the guy to pick up the blitz the next time, or make a circus catch...or whatever...it helps to have their backs in times like these. JMO, though.

Jamessr · 11-28-2012, 07:02 AM

I support Drew Brees, and yeah I compaired himto farve when he gets rattled and tries to force a play that goes from just being dead to a nail in the coffin (ie. pick 6)
However the fact he held out to be the highest paid player in the NFL = the best player. The only thing I get upset about is how when he does make a mistake its always for some other reason,
Colston not catching a ball thrown 9' feet in the air.
O line not blocking
Defense on the field too long

Things like that. I guess I just as upset as everyone else. However after today I'm done with this blaming crap. I want the 2nd lose to Atlanta to come from us.

11-27-2012, 03:09 PM	#51
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by TheOak Obviously the most expensive part on my car, the 558 hp Super Charged motor is why I cant drive my car on a flat tire, its also the reason the wipers dont clear all of the water from my wind shield.... I really love to blame it for my DVD player not being able to play scratched DVDs. So well stated. And I'll add. I would love to have Aaron Rodgers ( better than average qb, dubbed better than Drew) who doesn't make that one mistake per game, and has a healthy O line, and be at home and go up against this Defense...... O, wait..... they did it to Green Bay to in Lambeau too!!!!! SaintsBro likes this.

11-27-2012, 04:02 PM	#52
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by TheOak Obviously the most expensive part on my car, the 558 hp Super Charged motor is why I cant drive my car on a flat tire, its also the reason the wipers dont clear all of the water from my wind shield.... I really love to blame it for my DVD player not being able to play scratched DVDs. Originally Posted by alleycat_126 So well stated. And I'll add. I would love to have Aaron Rodgers ( better than average qb, dubbed better than Drew) who doesn't make that one mistake per game, and has a healthy O line, and be at home and go up against this Defense...... O, wait..... they did it to Green Bay to in Lambeau too!!!!! Well, I do agree with Oak's comparison in its essence. But I would counter that while it's certainly not the expensive motor's fault if your wipers are not working - I bet you're still a lot more critical of how the expensive motor performs at its duty and much more disappointed when it doesn't perform up to its expectations compared to how critical/disappointed you are at the inexpensive wipers when they don't meet your expectations?! Also, the Vikes won against the 49ers, and while it was at home it proves that you can't really draw direct comparisons between previous match ups and their results because as has been stated here numerous times before: every team matches differently against each other.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

11-27-2012, 04:52 PM	#53
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by xan Same number of possessions as last year, 5 minutes per game less possession time. BY DEFINITION, not a defensive problem. 4 healthy RBs. Until Sunday, entire O-Line healthy. And, neither pick6 was due to pressure. Good thing that Brees doesn't have the imperative to call audibles or give input on strategy before or during games. Otherwise, the observations about not running the ball, or time of possession on most 3-outs being under 70 seconds would be his fault, rather than the OC or HC. Last season we were the best offense, scoring 5 more points, holding the ball 5 more minutes, committing fewer turnovers, punting 30% less. Same people. Only they make more guaranteed money. So Xan, make it easy for me. Are you saying that the only difference between this year and and last year is that Brees is now making more money and that that is reason we're not dominating like we did last year? It's all on Brees and his contract?

11-27-2012, 05:56 PM	#54
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon It's not just Brees' guaranteed money. So what IS the difference between this and last year? Easier schedule? (yes) New offense? (no) Missing Robert Meachem? (maybe) Not enough team football knowledge? (obviously) If Sean Payton is that critical to the success of the team, such that, without much change in personnel or scheme, offense (and defense) has dropped production that significantly, then we are paying too much for what's on the field and in the staff rooms. Its going to be blown up next year anyway, get on with it. Rip that band aid off.

11-27-2012, 05:58 PM	#55
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by FinSaint Also, the Vikes won against the 49ers, and while it was at home it proves that you can't really draw direct comparisons between previous match ups and their results because as has been stated here numerous times before: every team matches differently against each other. I was comparing Green Bay more so for the makeup of their team. It compares similarly to ours. As a matter of fact, in this instance( to make a horrible analogy that I know I already hate myself for thinking) we would be considered the poor mans Green Bay. And you can compare matchups if we are talking about the Same team ( Frisco) vs teams with a similar skillset that being N.O and G.B

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11-27-2012, 08:24 PM	#56
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by xan If Sean Payton is that critical to the success of the team, such that, without much change in personnel or scheme, offense (and defense) has dropped production that significantly, then we are paying too much for what's on the field and in the staff rooms. "Paying too much for what's on the field?" Huh? We are under the salary cap. The 49ers and Falcons are both in worse cap shape than us, with less room, they are paying more for what they have "on the field." Are they "paying too much" too? What we are clearly seeing this year has nothing to do with paying too much for players, it has EVERYTHING to do with what happens when you don't pay for a head coach, because he is SUSPENDED. onebyone likes this.

11-27-2012, 09:28 PM	#57
aintasinner Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 161	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Wow! People give up so easy on a team and a player. If you want to support a team that wins 100% of the time, then you should become a fan of, well there are no teams that win 100% of the time. The Saints need the support of the fans and Drew Brees certaintly has earned our support and respect.

11-28-2012, 03:01 AM	#58
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by aintasinner Wow! People give up so easy on a team and a player. If you want to support a team that wins 100% of the time, then you should become a fan of, well there are no teams that win 100% of the time. The Saints need the support of the fans and Drew Brees certaintly has earned our support and respect. First of all, this is not targeted at you aintasinner, but more at the sentiment you made in your comment. I see no contradictions between being a supportive fan of the Saints giving out praises to players when they are due, but also at the same time being able to be critical of those same players when their performances warrant such criticism. To me that has nothing to do with "being a good fan" and if "being a good fan" means that I'd have to blindly cheer for the team after each game regardless of how they perform then I don't really want to be a good fan, at least in that sense of the definition. These boards would become rather tiresome fairly quickly if all we did was praise the Saints' players and never questioned the actions of the coaches and the front office. I don't think I've personally ever been guilty of overreactions on these boards, as in "oh my god, we need to cut all of these players that missed a tackle last night." I am at certain times concerned about how players perform on the field and what decisions are being made by the coaches and the FO, but that is only because I care about the Saints so much and because I'd like to see each and every player to ever wear the black & gold do their absolute best night after night and that every decision ever made by the coaches and the FO to be in the very best interest of the team. I fully support and respect Drew Brees both as a player and as an individual, but that doesn't mean that I can't be critical of him when there's a reason for me to be that way - the same goes for each and every other player. //he steps of the soap box and lights it on fire.
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11-28-2012, 05:51 AM	#59
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I believe there comes a point to where you have to ask what you are getting for your money. I don't mind spending 20 million a year for a QB, but I would think that when you spend that type of money, you don't have to settle for a QB that has to stand on his tip-toes just to see who is open. Having to stand on your toes should deduct a million or two, IMO. I also believe that a QB has to take responsibility for what happened on the field regardless of whether it is fault or not. If he want the guy to pick up the blitz the next time, or make a circus catch...or whatever...it helps to have their backs in times like these. JMO, though.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

11-28-2012, 07:02 AM	#60
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I support Drew Brees, and yeah I compaired himto farve when he gets rattled and tries to force a play that goes from just being dead to a nail in the coffin (ie. pick 6) However the fact he held out to be the highest paid player in the NFL = the best player. The only thing I get upset about is how when he does make a mistake its always for some other reason, Colston not catching a ball thrown 9' feet in the air. O line not blocking Defense on the field too long Things like that. I guess I just as upset as everyone else. However after today I'm done with this blaming crap. I want the 2nd lose to Atlanta to come from us.
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