SapperSaint

I am going to skip the Shales and Will Smith's.

Ingram. How many more years does PT have? That is the question. You put Ingram on any other team and he starts every game and becomes a Fantasy football star over night and the Saints look like the dumbest team for letting him go. He needs to play every to every other down. He needs to work and he's not getting it. He is a good RB; he just doesn't get to play a lot. The person that is holding him back is Sproles.

I say we keep him.

"We are number one. All others are number two, or lower."
-The Sphinx
http://blackandgold.com/groups/28-ou...tsman-s-corner

jeanpierre

And Ivory is holding back Sproles and PT is holding back Ivory - first we run out of RB in a playoff game and then we have so many that our OC is like a Mom with six kids trying to share the love...

FinSaint

Since Ivory is RFA, the Saints can just hand him the tender without him being able to even have any contact with other teams, which is why I'm fairly certain he'll be re-signed by the Saints.

SapperSaint

It makes me want to vomit, to think that Falcon fans are coming here and going back to their home site and talking about us "Giving up and talking about getting rid of players".

And talking about Falcon fans talking about taking about us, makes me want to vomit.

It's an endless cycle of vomit.

jeanpierre

Sap...

...it's a virus going around, check the CDC...

...But, the collapse this season is finally making us face reality that the FO has been mailing it in, especially since Lombardi Gras...

Rugby Saint II

I can see your point. However, I don't have a problem with dicussing our weaknesses and trying to come up with solutions to them. It may be a bit premature but at least it gives me something to contemplate since I can't see us making the playoffs.
And as far as Failcons fans coming to our site and returning home to tell their troops that we feel defeated. Screw 'em!!!
I do feel defeated and I might as well cheer myself up by thinking about a brighter future with better players.
So let's drink a lot of beer and vomit together.

jeanpierre

We're just regrouping so we can sweep them next season and get this all-time record tilted back our way...

Of course we have something they don't, so...

Boutte

Streif -Keep him. He's an adequate starter when healthy. Sometimes has trouble with speed rushers but overall does a pretty good job.

Jenkins -It would be nice if one of the young guys could beat him out but as it stands right now he's the best we have. He's not a great FS but he is a good football player albeit a flawed one. Keep him.

Harper -I like Harper. I love the attitude he brings. He's a leader and a real tough guy. His contract is the only reason I could for getting rid of him.

Smith -Pretty much the Roman Harper of the DL. Still a good DE but at this point in his career might be a better fit at LDE. Switching positions at his age might not work out though. Restructure or cut. (Even cutting him would be costly though. We still owe him on that signing bonus.)

Shanle -Could be the end of the line for the old vet. Deserves more love than he gets for his years of steady service but I think his time has come. Release

Henderson -Still a valuable member of the team. Still prone to drops on occasion but he's become a very well rounded WR. The ultimate team player. Age and salary might make it time for Devery to go.

Bushrod -A solid LT who is under appreciated by the fan base. Keep him.

Ellis -Soft, unproductive. Cut him.

Turk McBride -A good player when healthy but that doesn't happen very often. Cut.

Vilma -Sadly I think it's time for JV to hang em up.

Ingram -Glad I'm not the one who has to decide what to do with this guy. He shows flashes of why we drafted him but there are two guys on the team who do what he does better. (PT and Ivory) But he's too young to give up on just yet and we have a lot invested in him.

Pat Robinson -Good CB who is only going to get better.

Johnny Patrick -Pretty disappointing season from him. Hopefully he'll turn it around.

Definitely need to get more depth on the OL and hopefully we can improve at RT.

jeanpierre

Gotta disagree...

It was a mistake to draft him and compounded by the "investment" in extra picks to move back in and draft him...

He's built for 25 touches a game and that's not going to happen with Brees, Colston, Graham, Sproles, Moore, PT, Ivory, etc...

Hanging on to guy because he's a first rounder or for another reason rather than admitting a mistake and moving on makes you pay for the mistake that much longer...

As I've said, I don't lay his lack of WOW success for what we did to get him all at his feet; FO, Scouting, Coaches all contributed to this poor decision...

The pick should have been used to grab a OT (Carimi, Franklin), or a LB (Ayers) or a DT (Wilkerson - who I advocated)

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

AllSaints

Move Jenkins back to corner ... He just cant do the FS thing... Harper I like him personally I don't see him going anywhere... Vilma lost a step and idk if it was him missing so much time he just wasn't tackling great... Hawthorne has been hurt but hasen't really amazed me... Will Smith love ya man but ya just cant bring the pressure... Cam Jordon will be a solid starter for us... We need sum size at CB our Moving Jenkins would help Patrick Robinson he has sum upside has played good at times and not so good.... Bunkley and Hicks looks like our dts with the rotation but ellis got to go... Martez Wilson I would like to see him get more playing time... he could be R Aldon Smith ! and a burner at WR... sum better tackles... N we R set !

I just want a pass rush... Is that so hard to find.... Apparently....