Drew's Arm

SmashMouth · 12-03-2012, 12:24 PM

Is this an attempt to get Chase in this year?

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

We have reached game 12 and he did have an extended off-season. Just one of the many reasons trending to a tired arm. Short week, alot of attemps, constant pressure, and so on.

Due to the lock out there was no off season last year either... Professional athletes train year round regardless of coach or organized team activities.

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Due to the lock out there was no off season last year either... Professional athletes train year round regardless of coach or organized team activities.

And chase took all the snaps in the offseason so drew hasn't got close to over working his arm

We are lucky our receivers battle for the ball, especially that video you posted Oak, Moore put himself on the line for a well under thrown ball

W. Kovacs · 12-03-2012, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball.

Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows..
QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos

I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best.

I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things:
- his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face.
- he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?)

Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable.

I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks.

We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

And chase took all the snaps in the offseason so drew hasn't got close to over working his arm

We are lucky our receivers battle for the ball, especially that video you posted Oak, Moore put himself on the line for a well under thrown ball

Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

Jamessr · 12-03-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

Footage and an offseason will do that to a player.

Mardigras9 · 12-03-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

It will be interesting to see what kind of effort there is once we officially don't have a chance.

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick

When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Jamessr · 12-03-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Coach Payton's last instrcutions was to do your job. However the teams mindset is exactly what you just said.

niteadept · 12-03-2012, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs

I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best.

I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things:
- his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face.
- he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?)

Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable.

I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks.

We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

This is what I have been trying to tell folks! Drew trying to be Superman with an O-Line that needs to do its main job and protect the QB, all of the dropped passes and Graham needing the ball to fall right into his hands instead of being the aggressive player he was last year. Maybe Graham is still hurt, but it is frustrating watching the D finally start coming around only to watch the Offense unravel.

12-03-2012, 12:24 PM	#11
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12-03-2012, 12:25 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Mardigras9 We have reached game 12 and he did have an extended off-season. Just one of the many reasons trending to a tired arm. Short week, alot of attemps, constant pressure, and so on. Due to the lock out there was no off season last year either... Professional athletes train year round regardless of coach or organized team activities.

12-03-2012, 12:33 PM	#13
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Due to the lock out there was no off season last year either... Professional athletes train year round regardless of coach or organized team activities. And chase took all the snaps in the offseason so drew hasn't got close to over working his arm We are lucky our receivers battle for the ball, especially that video you posted Oak, Moore put himself on the line for a well under thrown ball

12-03-2012, 12:35 PM	#14
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak The lightbulb moment for me was Drews long pass to Moore against SF where it became a jump ball. Watch lance start to slow down at the end... He knows.. QB Brees to WR Moore, 43-yd, pass - NFL Videos I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best. I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things: - his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face. - he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?) Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable. I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks. We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result.

12-03-2012, 12:35 PM	#15
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by dizzle88 And chase took all the snaps in the offseason so drew hasn't got close to over working his arm We are lucky our receivers battle for the ball, especially that video you posted Oak, Moore put himself on the line for a well under thrown ball Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also.

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12-03-2012, 12:37 PM	#16
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also. Footage and an offseason will do that to a player.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also. It will be interesting to see what kind of effort there is once we officially don't have a chance.

12-03-2012, 12:43 PM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Yes he did... Graham on the other hand, on curl routs does not come back for the ball.. He had a few batted away against Atl for that... Thats not just my observation, that came direct from the commentator booth also. That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air Fundamentals have been killing us this year

12-03-2012, 12:44 PM	#19
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by dizzle88 Fundamentals have been killing us this year Coach Payton's last instrcutions was to do your job. However the teams mindset is exactly what you just said.

12-03-2012, 12:50 PM	#20
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by W. Kovacs I disagree on this one. Defense was over the top. If Drew goes any deeper it's (another) pick at worst, Lance getting smashed and dropping the pass at best. I think a lot of his troubles stem from really one issue: the O-Line. His lack of protection leads to two things: - his not being able to step through his throws either because he has defenders in his face or because he's rushing the throw because he's ABOUT to have defenders in his face. - he's getting abused in the pocket. It's got to start messing with your head when you get hit that often. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make excuses for Drew. I think he should be audibling (is that a word?) into runs more often since Carmichael is obviously oblivious. And he has to see the field better (this is the one that scares me. How does a QB stop being able to read defenses? Worse, how does he get back to being able to do it again?) Finally, he has to stop trying to carry the whole load himself. I think it's admirable that he wants to be that kind of leader but he's making us predictable. I really just want the season to end at this point. All I could think during the Falcons came was "Everyone seems to need to take a step back and clear their head." How often does Sproles drop that pass down the sideline that would have gone for, what, 45 yards? Or Moore drop a sure, easy TD? Or Graham get called for PI? Then Drew loses his s**t and tries to throw us back into the game by himself...5 picks. We're just a mess psychologically and I'm worried someone's going to get hurt as a result. This is what I have been trying to tell folks! Drew trying to be Superman with an O-Line that needs to do its main job and protect the QB, all of the dropped passes and Graham needing the ball to fall right into his hands instead of being the aggressive player he was last year. Maybe Graham is still hurt, but it is frustrating watching the D finally start coming around only to watch the Offense unravel. Halo, SaintsBro and W. Kovacs like this.

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