Drew's Arm

TheOak · 12-03-2012, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick

When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air

Fundamentals have been killing us this year

Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle?

If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust.

Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

Halo · 12-03-2012, 01:00 PM

My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer.

Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster.

NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far.

dizzle88 · 12-03-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle?

If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust.

Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

Yeah Alot of the times it was made a 1000 times worse also because our DB's played 10 yards off a receiver on 3rd and 3, which would lead to a WR getting 15 yards when they only need 3

I hope the D continues to improve, they have proper guidance this year and with a couple of draft picks hopefully at OLB, S or DT/DE we could be dominant

however on offense the only thing that will fix us is waiting until next year and thats coach

On a positive note (YAY) I like what joe morgan has been doing recently, He looks like the deep threat that we need in our offense

Marlboro Man · 12-03-2012, 01:21 PM

Nah, don't agree. That pass was short because Bushleague's guy pushed him into Drew's leading left leg and he couldn't step into the throw.

Ashley · 12-03-2012, 02:40 PM

its been that way, during the superbowl run it was like that. He has always under thrown the WR. Nothing new here, thats why we need to run the damn ball and not throw it 50 times a game, and still loose

saintfan · 12-03-2012, 03:06 PM

I blame the offensive line. Seriously.

st thomas · 12-03-2012, 03:14 PM

i can agree to some of the drew and grahm posts. drew is in a battle with fatigue mentally more than old wounds hurting. he really started to press when for 3 quarters without a passing td. jimmy grahm now its confussing to me how he went from all world to the real world. injury has to be the culprit. he has his ways of giving up on a route when he knows hes not targeted. which is hurting his ego a little. u don't see him in drews face apoligizing as much for a droped ball like last season. has to be the foot/ankle eating him. can't shake a cold this year. it could be that i finally thought i had a fantasy stud also. lol. still love um both.

Crusader · 12-03-2012, 04:01 PM

I haven't really seen this. On this level the margin for error is so small that if Brees has gotten hit and has a bruised shoulder or a slight sprain that might be enough to cause a problem with his delivery, doesn't have to be the end of the world or nothing.

UK_WhoDat · 12-03-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games.

Agree man.
His throw 2 games ago for a TD had Semi-active radar homing on it

BIGEASY504 · 12-03-2012, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it...

Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers?

When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"?

I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt.

I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc...

Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles?

I think it more fatigued than anything, a lot of his passes are behind, never in stride or he steps up so far and over throw just misses so yes that run game is very important so SP is needed and I hope he sees it

12-03-2012, 12:53 PM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by dizzle88 That's something coach Payton would be getting in Graham's face for Aswell, if SP was on the sideline graham would learn his lesson real quick When you learn a curl route the first things they teach you are; quickly breakdown to not let the DB gain ground on you and always come back to the pass incase the DB has made a step on the ball while its in the air Fundamentals have been killing us this year Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle? If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust. Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is.

12-03-2012, 01:00 PM	#22
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,602 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Drew's Arm My opinion - alas Drew is human. I definitely feel his arm strength is as good as ever. He's actually using less "touch" this year and his throws are off just a bit. Drew has a powerful enough arm to be a very effective NFL QB. But without the right touch on the ball, it just does not fall exactly where it should as he is the definition of an precision passer. Agree with nitedept and others that Drew taking on too much to elevate the team to greatness on his shoulders is the failing. He feels he needs to compensate for a weaker defense and score every-time he has the ball. This equates disaster. NO QB can handle that type of responsibility. I appreciate his courage but the situation defines our season so far. BIGEASY504, SaintsBro and W. Kovacs like this.
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12-03-2012, 01:01 PM	#23
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Have you noticed how many yards after the catch are gained against us because the other teams receivers not only come back for the catch but take 2 extra steps to make the defender miss a tackle? If we did that in practice on offense, the defense would be able to adjust. Tackle where he WILL be, not where he is. Yeah Alot of the times it was made a 1000 times worse also because our DB's played 10 yards off a receiver on 3rd and 3, which would lead to a WR getting 15 yards when they only need 3 I hope the D continues to improve, they have proper guidance this year and with a couple of draft picks hopefully at OLB, S or DT/DE we could be dominant however on offense the only thing that will fix us is waiting until next year and thats coach On a positive note (YAY) I like what joe morgan has been doing recently, He looks like the deep threat that we need in our offense
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12-03-2012, 01:21 PM	#24
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Drew's Arm Nah, don't agree. That pass was short because Bushleague's guy pushed him into Drew's leading left leg and he couldn't step into the throw.

12-03-2012, 02:40 PM	#25
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Drew's Arm its been that way, during the superbowl run it was like that. He has always under thrown the WR. Nothing new here, thats why we need to run the damn ball and not throw it 50 times a game, and still loose

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12-03-2012, 03:06 PM	#26
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew's Arm I blame the offensive line. Seriously. BIGEASY504 and SmashMouth like this.

12-03-2012, 03:14 PM	#27
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Drew's Arm i can agree to some of the drew and grahm posts. drew is in a battle with fatigue mentally more than old wounds hurting. he really started to press when for 3 quarters without a passing td. jimmy grahm now its confussing to me how he went from all world to the real world. injury has to be the culprit. he has his ways of giving up on a route when he knows hes not targeted. which is hurting his ego a little. u don't see him in drews face apoligizing as much for a droped ball like last season. has to be the foot/ankle eating him. can't shake a cold this year. it could be that i finally thought i had a fantasy stud also. lol. still love um both.
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12-03-2012, 04:01 PM	#28
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Drew's Arm I haven't really seen this. On this level the margin for error is so small that if Brees has gotten hit and has a bruised shoulder or a slight sprain that might be enough to cause a problem with his delivery, doesn't have to be the end of the world or nothing.

12-03-2012, 05:00 PM	#29
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by Mardigras9 He has been short several times in recent memory but accuracy was always his forte over arm strength to begin with. He has just been a victim of himself trying to force throws in the past few games. Agree man. His throw 2 games ago for a TD had Semi-active radar homing on it

12-03-2012, 09:41 PM	#30
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Drew's Arm Originally Posted by TheOak Ive started this thread a few times and never finished it... Am I the only one that sees passes usually caught in stride being thrown behind receivers? When is the last time any of you hears or saw the phrase "Brees throws his receivers open"? I am in no way saying his arm is gone, but what I have seen of him in the last few games reminds me of the 2010 season when we found out near the end of the season that he played a few games hurt. I have tendonitis in both rotator cuffs, and impingement. Drew has his his arm nearly ripped out of socket and is slinging 50 passes/game, you cant tell me his shoulders don't hurt when the weather changes etc... Let me put it into terms that may wake some people up. The QB that has been touted as one of the most intelligent and accurate QB in the NFL just starts throwing wildly inaccurate passes and makes very bad decisions because.... He ran out of waffles? I think it more fatigued than anything, a lot of his passes are behind, never in stride or he steps up so far and over throw just misses so yes that run game is very important so SP is needed and I hope he sees it
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