Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

SaintsBro · 12-07-2012, 08:52 AM

He became the voice in Drew's helmet headset last year, instead of Payton. He did call the plays while Payton was out (especially the Rams game, which now that I think about it, looked a lot like this year) but honestly, I can't remember now if Payton took the reigns back over fully on playcalling, when he came back.

Anyone know for sure?

Rell&Gold · 12-07-2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Compare Carmichael to Payton

On 3rd and 2, Payton would call a deep pass, because its the last thing the safeties expect

On 3rd and 2, Carmichael calls a run, up the gut, stopped and now it's 4th down

You can see what I'm getting at, with the lead Carmichael gets conservative

With the lead, Sean Payton goes right for the defenses throat and doesn't let up

This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped

Rugby Saint II · 12-07-2012, 12:20 PM

He's not ready for Boston college yet.

dizzle88 · 12-07-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped

Go back and watch the San Fran game and late in the game vs raiders, you'll see it

xan · 12-07-2012, 03:07 PM

maybe he can tell the players that the second half is not a myth, that they actually have to show up for it.

blackangold · 12-07-2012, 05:31 PM

Carmichael is only good for washing Drew's jockstrap when Payton is the HC. Carmichael had to call plays this year, and the more footage teams have on what plays he calls the worse he is getting. I was hoping Boston College would take him from us... o well.

WillSaints81 · 12-07-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Where do you get your information?

When I was mainly only at ESPN posting. It was on the saints forum. I found out from one of the saints posters shortly after the suspensions were announced in the summer that Carmichael was doing the offensive playcalling the remaining games of the season after Payton was hurt and he/she and a couple others used this to think our offense would be fine without Payton. If I had known this wasnt the case, I would have definitely lowered my expectations going into the season. I did potentially see an 0-3 start coming but not 0-4 and didnt think it could really happen. I thought a 2-2 start was at least likely.

44Champs · 12-07-2012, 06:28 PM

Bottom line question is this: is Pete Carmichael so stupid that he doesn't even see these trends? I swear, he looks like a friggin deer in headlights on the sidelines.

Marlboro Man · 12-08-2012, 11:58 PM

"Mark Ingram leads the team in carries despite a 3.6 yards per carry average. Pierre Thomas averages 4.8, Chris Ivory averages 5.4 and Darren Sproles averages 4.5. That's right, they all average more than a FULL YARD more per carry than Ingram except Sporles (who averages 0.9 yards more per), yet Ingram is the primary runner."

Yet this coaching staff keeps playing Ingram over Ivory and PT, go figure. I think they're playing for draft position now that their hardheadedness has killed our season.

12-07-2012, 08:52 AM	#11
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller He became the voice in Drew's helmet headset last year, instead of Payton. He did call the plays while Payton was out (especially the Rams game, which now that I think about it, looked a lot like this year) but honestly, I can't remember now if Payton took the reigns back over fully on playcalling, when he came back. Anyone know for sure?

12-07-2012, 10:41 AM	#12
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller Originally Posted by dizzle88 Compare Carmichael to Payton On 3rd and 2, Payton would call a deep pass, because its the last thing the safeties expect On 3rd and 2, Carmichael calls a run, up the gut, stopped and now it's 4th down You can see what I'm getting at, with the lead Carmichael gets conservative With the lead, Sean Payton goes right for the defenses throat and doesn't let up This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped

12-07-2012, 12:20 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller He's not ready for Boston college yet.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller Originally Posted by Rell&Gold This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped Go back and watch the San Fran game and late in the game vs raiders, you'll see it

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12-07-2012, 05:31 PM	#16
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller Carmichael is only good for washing Drew's jockstrap when Payton is the HC. Carmichael had to call plays this year, and the more footage teams have on what plays he calls the worse he is getting. I was hoping Boston College would take him from us... o well.

12-07-2012, 05:49 PM	#17
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller Originally Posted by TheOak Where do you get your information? When I was mainly only at ESPN posting. It was on the saints forum. I found out from one of the saints posters shortly after the suspensions were announced in the summer that Carmichael was doing the offensive playcalling the remaining games of the season after Payton was hurt and he/she and a couple others used this to think our offense would be fine without Payton. If I had known this wasnt the case, I would have definitely lowered my expectations going into the season. I did potentially see an 0-3 start coming but not 0-4 and didnt think it could really happen. I thought a 2-2 start was at least likely.

12-07-2012, 06:28 PM	#18
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Bottom line question is this: is Pete Carmichael so stupid that he doesn't even see these trends? I swear, he looks like a friggin deer in headlights on the sidelines.
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12-08-2012, 11:58 PM	#19
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller "Mark Ingram leads the team in carries despite a 3.6 yards per carry average. Pierre Thomas averages 4.8, Chris Ivory averages 5.4 and Darren Sproles averages 4.5. That's right, they all average more than a FULL YARD more per carry than Ingram except Sporles (who averages 0.9 yards more per), yet Ingram is the primary runner." Yet this coaching staff keeps playing Ingram over Ivory and PT, go figure. I think they're playing for draft position now that their hardheadedness has killed our season.

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