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Even though our defense struggles at times, greer has looked lost all season when was our most reliable shutdown corner and best defensive player

But he is an absolute weak link this year

Teams are targeting him like never before

He got burned twice in the ATL game for 54 and 49 yards, he is just getting beat soundly every single week

all our corners got owned vs giants but pat robinson and elbert mack put up a little bit of a fight

Dont even mention johnny patrick either, what a waste of space that dude is

whenever that kick returner made it past the 30 yard line, johnny patrick would make a half assed attempt at a tackle and totally whiff it, it happened 3 times

We have a lot of holes that need to be filled

I've seen brees throw better passes when he's under more pressure, he had a totally clean pocket and gift wrapped that pick when he tried to throw to graham

He knows not to make those throws, he never used to before, so why is he now?

Mark ingram and PT had a nice game when they were being run, I seriously think Ivory will be gone soon and Ingram will get even more carries, in my opinion his play in the second half of the season means hes earned them

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Drew's arm looks weak to me right now.

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Of course he'llnever say it but if it is you can blame ole Pete Carmicheal for that...
Throwing the ball 50+ a game will do that to you. Kinda makes me wonder why we have so many damn running backs if we throw so damn much.

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CB's - If we stick with Spags we need to focus on zone CB's, which are easier to find and less expensive.

Greer plays well man to man but does look bad trying to cover in zone.

I think our top 3 CB's are better suited to play mostly man coverage.

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Nothing wrong with Drew's arm, now his decision making is another story. No way he should have thrown those two passes that were intercepted. Drew's trying to do to much and not letting his teammates do their jobs. As fans we've given drew a pass on his poor play, well enough lets just tell it like it is and he's playing like ****.
This man is not playing like a 100 million dollar QB, not the guy we've seen in years past.

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I'm sure arm strength has nothing to do with it, not to mention he was wearing gloves & the cold & the rain on top of it.

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I agree....I think alot of it has to do with amount of pressure he feels thats on him. This is not the situation he expected to be in this year. $100mil contract. Everyone in the media saying basically he has to be the coach on and off the field. No SP to pull the reins back and calm him down when he's clearly pressing way to much. No matter how good he's been in the past one thing has always been constant with Brees he's had a head coach in SP that understood where his head and mood were at all times during practice and the games. And he took care of the minor details in every facet of the team to make sure everything went smoothly for the guy running the offense on the field.

Carmichael is not the type to throw in some plays short pass plays or hand offs after Brees makes a bad decision...it seems like he just encourages Brees to press even more with the way he calls plays. For example...those passes that were dropped, fumbled, or tipped and picked off by the likes of Jed Collins, Colston, and Graham would have been rectified by SP. And SP would have changed the playcalling accordingly until he felt it was time to go back to those players after major mistakes. Brees by himself is still gonna go back to his guys no matter what when in actuallity he should go to the ones that have more ball security and production i.e. the short pass/run game.

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Payton not being there has to play a role in Drew's bad decisions and the at times bad play calling...

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Exactly.

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Drew doing too much???? What does that mean exactly? he is doing exactly what he has been doing for the last 5 years just not as good. I hate to be the guy but i think we have seen his best years. The whole "drew doing too much" is bogus. drew trying to do too much would be him trying to kick field goals now

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What was the excuse for the "5" INT game, no gloves, rain, cold weather or any of the things mentioned above. If we're going to slam everyone who has a bad game or two then Drew should be treated the same.
I'll be the first to agree that without Sean Payton this team is not the same but no more excuses for Drew's terrible play over the past month.

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Look at the play calling. That second pick was all because of lousy play calling. Ingram had a good run, we got a holding penalty and instead of trying to gain some yards on the ground before airing it out, they call for a 25 yard bomb. Awful play calling and missing training camp didn't help none.

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Brees is fully to blame for that, he held out, got his money and is now making sure we get a top ten draft pick

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This Drew looks to me exactly like the 2008 Drew, interceptions and all. When he had no defense to back him up, he definitely takes it all on his shoulders and tries to do too much. Maybe you did not see him that year, compared to the better defense and more balanced running attack years of Drew 2009 and 2011.

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I know what you mean, Like you say in 2008 brees had no running game and no defense, so why he is playing worse now than in 2008?

Brees threw 34 TD, 17 ints in 2008, he already had 18 ints now, with 3 weeks left

we have a running game and a defense that held ATL to 23 points when he turned it over 5 times, held SF to 17 points before brees threw two pick 6's and bailed the offense out twice with interceptions yesterday?

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Let's see if Drew throws 50+ times a game it makes his arm weak and because of him missing training camp (this is week 13) it makes him inaccurate. We should get one of the Cardinals QB's their arms are nice a rested!!

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No excuses, just a different opinion. 9 picks, 3 games, facts are fact, even if not all the picks were his fault he still gets credit for them. I just don't believe its his arm strength, more than self pressure & bad decisons. I can't stand how they are playing, its awful and its not just him.

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I don't have a problem with the picks, it's when it's happening that bothers me. If we are down and he throws some dangerous passes ok, but that's not what's going on. He throws dangerous passes all the time.
We could be up by 10 and he will still do it. If he doesn't do that we could have probably scraped out a few more W's .

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I want to see us run the damn ball more. Drew has always missed the deep balls. That's nothing new, as far as the int's that is all him. Balls are to high, or being thrown behind or wr's.
On the cb's Greer was our best, and I have to agree this year he looks like Jason David!
Bottom line we need to run the damn ball, and on the D implode the whole unit. Most will not be back, so I don't think we will have to worry about that.

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They were all his fault. They were too high or behind the WR's. yes the hit them in the hands, but come on when a WR is stretched out as far as they can go? Come on . It's the 100 million dollar mans fault... who carry's the blame, Head coaches and Qb's

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Nothing wrong with Drew's arm, now his decision making. Just a bad year. The cards were stacked against us.

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I get it that the blame is on them, I'm sure he puts it on himself, just as the others do themselves too. However to say every pick is the qb's fault, is like saying every incomplete pass is. I'm pretty sure I've seen these receivers, backs, and TE's drop balls this season. Sounds funny (tight ends drop balls).

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There will be 6 NFC teams in the playoffs who don't have 100-million-dollar QB's.

Just sayin'.

Drew has the curse.

Alaska

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That is a bunch of Hogwash^^^^ the curse, seriously. If Drew Brees could toss that B**tch to himself you know he would. He would give himself way more time cause he would keep Aldon Smith and Justin Smith off him at the same time cause he would be blocking for himself. I bet you Gd well he would catch it too, and not fumble. The man can't catch his own passes. The people who are out there not pass catching, not blocking well, and fumbling after catching, or just dropping wide open passes are just as much to blame as Brees. And they are not making the same kinda scratch, but they are making significant scratch. Your paying Pierre a big contract to be in a backup role, Lance Moore the same, Colston is making number one receiver money and can't hold onto the ball in big game situations, Jimmy is about to get broke off any day now...... It's not just brees and his money ( WHICH HE DESERVED FOR CARRYING THIS FRANCHISE OUT OF THE ASHES IT WAS IN)

It only hurts as much as it does because you expect better...... hell so do I...
But who set that standard? The hundred million dollar man!!!

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Makes sense when you think about how many pass's he threw to JG last year. This year JG leads the NFL in dropped pass's. Has god only knows how many bounce off his hands. Receivers fumbling the ball. Check downs being dropped constantly. O-line playing mediocre most of the time. NO ONE is stepping up on offense. The defense is finally starting to get there act together and the offense is in total shambles. The play calling has been crap all year. There is a reason Vitt has been an asst. coach for 30+ years, he is not head coaching material. Carmichael has shown this year that he really has not been the one calling the plays these last 6 years. Makes you wonder why he is even on staff. The list of problems go on and on. Drew has NO confidence right now and he don't have his mentor to straighten him out, so I don't see him getting out of this funk until the season is over.

As far as Greer is concerned, Ashley NAILED it! I said the exact same thing watching the game. He is looking like Jason David right now. He looks absolutely lost. He made a joke after that ATL game we won, that he would have been on the waiver wire had he not swatted that pass in the endzone away. I can't help but think he should be on the waiver wire right now. Teams are constantly going after him. He bites like a fat kid going for a twinkie on fake outs, he runs as fast as he can to get to the top of his zone but the receiver is 10-15 yards in front of him to make easy catch's all day. He is definitely not fitting Spags system.

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Well, to be completely honest about it, Brees has been under throwing those long balls for a couple of seasons now, so for those who say his arm strength is as good as it has been - you must be watching another game than I.

But, I'd just want to see Graham catch some balls thrown at him, like he did last season, and really fight for some yardage after the catch instead of just immediately going to the ground or the sideline after the initial contact.

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The first int was tipped off of GRAHAMS hands and the second one Jimmy couldve made a better effort to catch that one

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Bad decision making clearly...his arm is weak are serious did you see the 44 yrd pass toJoe Morgan off his back foot if im not mistaken

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Brees has never been known for Jay cutler cannon or Aaron rodgers type of arm he's always had accuracy

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I agree...I think Drew's arm does look weak, he under throws a lot of passes.

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thank you somebody with sense and not jumping the broom on everything

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On a lot of Drews deep passes, he hasn't had as clean a pocket to step up into and put his weight into the passes.

He has been running for his life or throwing off his back foot most times...

I don't think it's so much his arm strength, just the lack of the O-Lines protection...

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Jabari Greer doesn't seem like he is as good in the zone as he is playing man on man.

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Jabari looks like he can't even play man coverage anymore, he's getting beat deep every game, no matter what coverage he's in

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We don't run nearly enough for having 4 rbs that would be getting a lot of carries on other teams... R problem is WE abandon the run to fast.... Witch leads to brees throwing n throwing... Im just ready for Sean Payton N brees to get back together I believe he will look a lot better next year... N hopefully we can get sum o-line help and Defense well get sum playmakers somehow... Via Draft r Free Agents...

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I'm well aware of this, but I've also stated before in other threads that my perception has been that he has been under throwing more of those longer passes recently than he used to, for example, back in 2009 or 2010.

Now, if it's not that he has lost some strength in his arm then it must be that he is misjudging the needed trajectory to get the ball across to where the receiver could catch it in stride as opposed to stopping and needing to come back for the pass. As far as I'm concerned, I'd much rather have it be the first option than the second one.

Not jumping on any "blame-train" on this one, it's just my honest opinion.