Why shouldn't Goodell get fined??

QBREES9 · 12-13-2012, 01:24 AM

Why shouldn't Goodell get fined??

He should.

pherein · 12-13-2012, 03:35 AM

Yeah, sorry have to agree. When ever a corporation is mishandled and legal proceeding begin, it is common, if not standard, for the board of directors to do a investigation of the CEO and the allegations.

A investigation should be started on Goodells investigation and the steps they took, as well as the lawyers involved. Its in the best interest of the NFL to find out why the lawyers clearly messed things up, and Goodell as well.

Then he and they should be fined or fired on the outcome. Never happen though,because they would look bad.

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

Yeah, sorry have to agree. When ever a corporation is mishandled and legal proceeding begin, it is common, if not standard, for the board of directors to do a investigation of the CEO and the allegations.

A investigation should be started on Goodells investigation and the steps they took, as well as the lawyers involved. Its in the best interest of the NFL to find out why the lawyers clearly messed things up, and Goodell as well.

Then he and they should be fined or fired on the outcome. Never happen though,because they would look bad.

The catch here pherein is that the owners do not need to do an investigation. They did not wake up one morning and find a train wreck, they watched the entire train wreck happen from start to finish and did nothing to stop it. So its either incompetence on the Owners or they agreed with what transpired.

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I didn't say blind faith in the Commish is a requirement and I didn't say any player looks to Roger for leadership. I said Roger can no longer run the league in good faith in the eyes of the players - which is to mean they were always suspicious of him. Now they have evidence of it. That's not good.

I don't have to take into account someone who's digging a ditch or a college athlete. It isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Tell the players their lack of faith in their dishonest commish doesn't matter. It matters enough that they fought for reduced power from that office.

I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union.

Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed.

I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.

44Champs · 12-13-2012, 09:20 AM

BTW Goodell's salary is $20MM / yr. Talk about having the wool pulled over the owners' eyes!

SmashMouth · 12-13-2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

BTW Goodell's salary is $20MM / yr. Talk about having the wool pulled over the owners' eyes!

Good.... he can afford a multi-million $ settlement for Vilma and the class action suit!

saintfan · 12-13-2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union.

Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed.

I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.

And we agree to disagree, for the reasons I've stated and those of others. One thing is for sure and for certain. Roger will think long and hard before he pulls this crap again, because he knows the players will take his ass to court. That's not good for the league. You may call me an idealist, but in fact I'm a realist. If the relationship between the players and the league was bad, it is now worse, and Roger would have to extend himself a great deal to overcome it - something we know he will not do. The next time the rubber meets the road, is a player or coach or owner going to accept the judgement from the league office blindly or will we see legal proceedings again?

In fact I'm not drawing correlations. I believe it is me who is the realist. Time will tell.

TheOak · 12-13-2012, 09:35 AM

On thing that is missed is a plus for the League. The coffers for the NFLPA have been severely depleted during this battle. They are less effective now at fighting the league.

All Roger has to do to avoid court is make no public statement. He is not being drug to court for abuse of power... understand that. He is being drug through court because he spoke publicly about Vilma before there was a final decision. This is a defamation lawsuit... Not an abuse of power lawsuit. Had Goodell been quiet in the media the only people who spoke negatively against Vilma were Willams and the other a-hole making claims.

SmashMouth · 12-13-2012, 09:41 AM

I wonder if Will Smith and others will follow Vilma's lead with their very own defamation suit against Herr Goodell?

saintfan · 12-13-2012, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I wonder if Will Smith and others will follow Vilma's lead with their very own defamation suit against Herr Goodell?

Me too. Smith has hinted that he might - or maybe that's just my interpretation of some of his comments. He and the others certainly should IMO.

12-13-2012, 01:24 AM	#31
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12-13-2012, 03:35 AM	#32
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Yeah, sorry have to agree. When ever a corporation is mishandled and legal proceeding begin, it is common, if not standard, for the board of directors to do a investigation of the CEO and the allegations. A investigation should be started on Goodells investigation and the steps they took, as well as the lawyers involved. Its in the best interest of the NFL to find out why the lawyers clearly messed things up, and Goodell as well. Then he and they should be fined or fired on the outcome. Never happen though,because they would look bad.

12-13-2012, 07:39 AM	#33
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by pherein Yeah, sorry have to agree. When ever a corporation is mishandled and legal proceeding begin, it is common, if not standard, for the board of directors to do a investigation of the CEO and the allegations. A investigation should be started on Goodells investigation and the steps they took, as well as the lawyers involved. Its in the best interest of the NFL to find out why the lawyers clearly messed things up, and Goodell as well. Then he and they should be fined or fired on the outcome. Never happen though,because they would look bad. The catch here pherein is that the owners do not need to do an investigation. They did not wake up one morning and find a train wreck, they watched the entire train wreck happen from start to finish and did nothing to stop it. So its either incompetence on the Owners or they agreed with what transpired.

12-13-2012, 07:50 AM	#34
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by saintfan I didn't say blind faith in the Commish is a requirement and I didn't say any player looks to Roger for leadership. I said Roger can no longer run the league in good faith in the eyes of the players - which is to mean they were always suspicious of him. Now they have evidence of it. That's not good. I don't have to take into account someone who's digging a ditch or a college athlete. It isn't relevant to the point I'm making. Tell the players their lack of faith in their dishonest commish doesn't matter. It matters enough that they fought for reduced power from that office. I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union. Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed. I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader.

12-13-2012, 09:20 AM	#35
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12-13-2012, 09:22 AM	#36
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12-13-2012, 09:29 AM	#37
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by TheOak I get it.. your an idealist. The realist in me says if the players had any modicum of faith that the League was looking out for their best interest there would be no need for a Players Union. Your original response is ...faith from the players in the leader of the league is needed. I still contend that 1. It is not needed. 2. Goodell is not perceived as the players leader. And we agree to disagree, for the reasons I've stated and those of others. One thing is for sure and for certain. Roger will think long and hard before he pulls this crap again, because he knows the players will take his ass to court. That's not good for the league. You may call me an idealist, but in fact I'm a realist. If the relationship between the players and the league was bad, it is now worse, and Roger would have to extend himself a great deal to overcome it - something we know he will not do. The next time the rubber meets the road, is a player or coach or owner going to accept the judgement from the league office blindly or will we see legal proceedings again? In fact I'm not drawing correlations. I believe it is me who is the realist. Time will tell.
	C'mon Man...

12-13-2012, 09:35 AM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? On thing that is missed is a plus for the League. The coffers for the NFLPA have been severely depleted during this battle. They are less effective now at fighting the league. All Roger has to do to avoid court is make no public statement. He is not being drug to court for abuse of power... understand that. He is being drug through court because he spoke publicly about Vilma before there was a final decision. This is a defamation lawsuit... Not an abuse of power lawsuit. Had Goodell been quiet in the media the only people who spoke negatively against Vilma were Willams and the other a-hole making claims.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-13-2012, 09:41 AM	#39
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? I wonder if Will Smith and others will follow Vilma's lead with their very own defamation suit against Herr Goodell?

12-13-2012, 09:47 AM	#40
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why shouldn't Goodell get fined?? Originally Posted by SmashMouth I wonder if Will Smith and others will follow Vilma's lead with their very own defamation suit against Herr Goodell? Me too. Smith has hinted that he might - or maybe that's just my interpretation of some of his comments. He and the others certainly should IMO.

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